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House Hansard - 266

44th Parl. 1st Sess.
December 12, 2023 10:00AM
Context: House Hansard - 266 - Dec/12/23
The Assistant Deputy Speaker (Mrs. Alexandra Mendès)
  • Dec/12/23 10:27:14 a.m.
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The hon. parliamentary secretary to the government House leader is rising on a point of order.
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Context: House Hansard - 266 - Dec/12/23
Mr. James Bezan
  • Dec/12/23 11:27:16 a.m.
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Madam Speaker, I rise on a point of order. I believe the Standing Orders say we are not allowed to reflect on a vote that has been taken in this House, and the parliamentary secretary is doing that. Also, the parliamentary secretary consistently rises in this place and extols very toxic rhetoric. We have the Minister of Trade sitting right here. Should she not be addressing this instead of the parliamentary secretary?
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Context: House Hansard - 266 - Dec/12/23
The Assistant Deputy Speaker (Mrs. Alexandra Mendès)
  • Dec/12/23 11:32:48 a.m.
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The hon. parliamentary secretary knows that if another member feels something is disruptive or offensive, we have to act on it. The standing order does say that we do not reflect on votes, so I would ask the hon. parliamentary secretary to retract.
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Context: House Hansard - 266 - Dec/12/23
The Assistant Deputy Speaker (Mrs. Alexandra Mendès)
  • Dec/12/23 11:34:01 a.m.
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While the hon. parliamentary secretary may be right in terms of traditions, I have to refer to the Standing Orders as they stand. The hon. member for Selkirk—Interlake—Eastman rose on a point of order, and there is a standing order reflecting that we cannot refer to votes, so I have to apply it. I ask the hon. parliamentary secretary to retract. The hon. parliamentary secretary.
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Context: House Hansard - 266 - Dec/12/23
The Assistant Deputy Speaker (Mrs. Alexandra Mendès)
  • Dec/12/23 11:35:55 a.m.
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I think the hon. member was trying to see if tradition overrides the Standing Orders, if I understand correctly the point the hon. parliamentary secretary was making.
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Context: House Hansard - 266 - Dec/12/23
The Assistant Deputy Speaker (Mrs. Alexandra Mendès)
  • Dec/12/23 11:37:19 a.m.
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I take the hon. member's point. That is exactly why I stated what I did. I invite the hon. parliamentary secretary to go back to his speech and avoid creating more dissension.
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Context: House Hansard - 266 - Dec/12/23
Mr. Ben Lobb
  • Dec/12/23 11:37:38 a.m.
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Madam Speaker, I would ask the parliamentary secretary to retract his comments and apologize. If he does not want to, then I suggest we move on to the next speaker and continue debate.
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Context: House Hansard - 266 - Dec/12/23
The Assistant Deputy Speaker (Mrs. Alexandra Mendès)
  • Dec/12/23 11:43:25 a.m.
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That is debate. I invite the hon. parliamentary secretary to continue his speech.
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Context: House Hansard - 266 - Dec/12/23
The Assistant Deputy Speaker (Mrs. Alexandra Mendès)
  • Dec/12/23 11:44:11 a.m.
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That is another point of debate. The hon. parliamentary secretary may continue his speech.
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Context: House Hansard - 266 - Dec/12/23
The Assistant Deputy Speaker (Mrs. Alexandra Mendès)
  • Dec/12/23 11:46:41 a.m.
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Yes. I did remind the hon. parliamentary secretary of that. The hon. parliamentary secretary is making very broad comments on voting history.
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Context: House Hansard - 266 - Dec/12/23
The Assistant Deputy Speaker (Mrs. Alexandra Mendès)
  • Dec/12/23 11:56:28 a.m.
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I do not think the hon. member was implying such a thing. He was referring to influences, not necessarily to being treasonous. The hon. parliamentary secretary is rising on a point of order.
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Context: House Hansard - 266 - Dec/12/23
The Assistant Deputy Speaker (Mrs. Alexandra Mendès)
  • Dec/12/23 11:57:06 a.m.
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I do not think the hon. member did such a thing. She said that people on both sides accuse each other of different things. I will let the hon. parliamentary secretary continue.
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Context: House Hansard - 266 - Dec/12/23
The Assistant Deputy Speaker (Mrs. Carol Hughes)
  • Dec/12/23 12:06:26 p.m.
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Order. The hon. member had an opportunity to ask his question. Now, whether he likes the answer or not, he needs to take the opportunity to listen. If he has other questions, he can wait until I ask for questions and comments. The hon. parliamentary secretary.
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Context: House Hansard - 266 - Dec/12/23
The Assistant Deputy Speaker (Mrs. Carol Hughes)
  • Dec/12/23 12:06:51 p.m.
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Actually, the hon. member's question seemed to indicate that on the other side as well. I would ask members to please refrain from doing that. We know that everybody in this House does not support Russia. That has been reaffirmed in the House. I would ask members to please refrain from saying that during their questions and during their comments. The hon. parliamentary secretary.
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Context: House Hansard - 266 - Dec/12/23
The Assistant Deputy Speaker (Mrs. Carol Hughes)
  • Dec/12/23 12:21:38 p.m.
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The hon. parliamentary secretary to the government House leader on a point of order.
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Context: House Hansard - 266 - Dec/12/23
The Assistant Deputy Speaker (Mrs. Carol Hughes)
  • Dec/12/23 12:21:47 p.m.
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Order. I have recognized the hon. parliamentary secretary for a point of order. Let us hear what he has to say.
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Context: House Hansard - 266 - Dec/12/23
Mr. Tom Kmiec
  • Dec/12/23 12:35:47 p.m.
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Madam Speaker, on the same point of order, on what the parliamentary secretary just said, a member is allowed to reflect on their own votes. I do not believe the Standing Orders in the House of Commons directly affect how committees vote. I do not believe it has ever been part of the rules directly. Votes cannot be referred to in the House that are taken here. Part of the ruling that is made should also include whether we can refer to votes taken at committee, especially a member's own vote, which a member is allowed to reflect on because it is part of the public record. It should be public and they can refer to it when speaking to constituents and speaking in the House on it. That is what the member for Dufferin—Caledon was doing. If not for the interruption by the parliamentary secretary, I am sure he would have finished by now.
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Context: House Hansard - 266 - Dec/12/23
The Assistant Deputy Speaker (Mrs. Alexandra Mendès)
  • Dec/12/23 6:45:25 p.m.
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The hon. parliamentary secretary.
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Context: House Hansard - 266 - Dec/12/23
The Assistant Deputy Speaker (Mrs. Alexandra Mendès)
  • Dec/12/23 7:00:38 p.m.
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The parliamentary secretary.
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Context: House Hansard - 266 - Dec/12/23
The Assistant Deputy Speaker (Mrs. Alexandra Mendès)
  • Dec/12/23 7:04:21 p.m.
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The hon. parliamentary secretary.
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