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House Hansard - 266

44th Parl. 1st Sess.
December 12, 2023 10:00AM
Context: House Hansard - 266 - Dec/12/23
Mr. Kyle Seeback (Dufferin—Caledon, CPC)
  • Dec/12/23 12:04:23 p.m.
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Madam Speaker, opposition parties oppose, and they oppose legislation that they think is bad. That does not cause harm to anyone. The parliamentary secretary's argument that somehow voting against a bill is bad makes no sense. However, something that was bad was the current government's granting—
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Mr. Kevin Lamoureux
  • Dec/12/23 12:04:50 p.m.
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Madam Speaker, on a point of order, the member just told Canadians, on the floor of the House of Commons, that the opposition party voted against a bill and that was just—
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The Assistant Deputy Speaker (Mrs. Carol Hughes)
  • Dec/12/23 12:04:58 p.m.
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I am sorry, but that is not a point of order. That is a point of debate. The hon. member for Dufferin—Caledon.
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Mr. Kyle Seeback
  • Dec/12/23 12:05:01 p.m.
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Madam Speaker, with respect to that point of order, the—
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The Assistant Deputy Speaker (Mrs. Carol Hughes)
  • Dec/12/23 12:05:08 p.m.
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It was not a point of order. The hon. member for Dufferin—Caledon, on the question.
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Mr. Kyle Seeback
  • Dec/12/23 12:05:11 p.m.
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Madam Speaker, what actually has harmed Ukraine was the government's decision to grant a waiver to export a gas turbine. It is interesting. The Liberals use President Zelenskyy's name all the time in support of their cause to try to score cheap political points. President Zelenskyy had a few things to say about that waiver. If a terrorist state can squeeze out such an exemption to sanctions, what exemptions would it want? Moreover, it is dangerous not only for Ukraine but for all countries of the democratic world. Zelenskyy called on the Canadian government to reverse that decision. The Ukrainian ambassador went on to say that Russia is using energy as a weapon in Europe and all over the world and this money and fuel were going to support the war in Ukraine. Do the Liberals regret that they actually aided President Putin in his war by exporting that gas turbine?
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Mr. Kevin Lamoureux
  • Dec/12/23 12:06:04 p.m.
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Madam Speaker, as the member tries to change the channel, we need to recognize the reality of today. The reality of today is that there is one political entity, better known as the Conservative Party of Canada, that seems to want to take the side of Russia over Ukraine. That has been clearly demonstrated— Mr. Kyle Seeback: No, giving the turbine to Russia—
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The Assistant Deputy Speaker (Mrs. Carol Hughes)
  • Dec/12/23 12:06:26 p.m.
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Order. The hon. member had an opportunity to ask his question. Now, whether he likes the answer or not, he needs to take the opportunity to listen. If he has other questions, he can wait until I ask for questions and comments. The hon. parliamentary secretary.
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Mr. Kevin Lamoureux
  • Dec/12/23 12:06:38 p.m.
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Madam Speaker—
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The Assistant Deputy Speaker (Mrs. Carol Hughes)
  • Dec/12/23 12:06:42 p.m.
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On a point of order, the hon. member for Dufferin—Caledon.
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Mr. Kyle Seeback
  • Dec/12/23 12:06:47 p.m.
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Madam Speaker, for the member to suggest that I support Russia is despicable and—
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The Assistant Deputy Speaker (Mrs. Carol Hughes)
  • Dec/12/23 12:06:51 p.m.
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Actually, the hon. member's question seemed to indicate that on the other side as well. I would ask members to please refrain from doing that. We know that everybody in this House does not support Russia. That has been reaffirmed in the House. I would ask members to please refrain from saying that during their questions and during their comments. The hon. parliamentary secretary.
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Mr. Kevin Lamoureux
  • Dec/12/23 12:07:15 p.m.
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Madam Speaker, I see some individuals on the other side, just as they should well be, are very ashamed of the way they have conducted themselves when it comes to issues with respect to Ukraine. Where there should have been unanimous support for Ukraine at a very difficult time in its history, we see the Conservative Party under its current leadership looking south to be inspired by MAGA politics. That is to the detriment of Ukraine. The Conservatives have to take responsibility for their actions, and by that I mean their votes, and not try to hide behind the Speaker's back.
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Mr. Marc Dalton (Pitt Meadows—Maple Ridge, CPC)
  • Dec/12/23 12:08:12 p.m.
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  • Re: Bill C-56 
Madam Speaker, I rise on a point of order. I would like to seek unanimous consent from the House to change my vote from last night on Bill C-56, Division No. 606, from nay to yea. I ran out of time and was unable to make that change then. I hope the House will allow me to change my vote.
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The Assistant Deputy Speaker (Mrs. Carol Hughes)
  • Dec/12/23 12:08:42 p.m.
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Is it agreed? Some hon. members: Agreed.
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Mr. Alain Therrien (La Prairie, BQ)
  • Dec/12/23 12:08:51 p.m.
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Madam Speaker, I would like to comment on the remarks made by the member for Winnipeg North, who referred to the nature of the Conservatives' vote on one of the aspects of the many votes that were held in the House on Friday. He simply mentioned the Conservatives' vote. The Conservatives mentioned Standing Order 18, which says that no member may—
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The Assistant Deputy Speaker (Mrs. Carol Hughes)
  • Dec/12/23 12:09:27 p.m.
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The member needs to get to the reason he is rising on a point of order, because, for now, this seems to be a matter of debate.
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Mr. Alain Therrien
  • Dec/12/23 12:09:33 p.m.
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Madam Chair, I would have liked to be part of the debate on the earlier point of order to talk about Standing Order 18, which the Conservatives mentioned and which, according to them, prevents members from reflecting on a vote. We cannot criticize a vote, but we can talk about it. We can talk about the position a member took during a vote. The member for Winnipeg North did not criticize the vote. He simply pointed out that the Conservative Party took a particular position on a particular vote. The House should not oppose what the member for Winnipeg North said. That is why I am rising. I want to add my voice to what was said earlier about the standing order the Conservatives mentioned.
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The Assistant Deputy Speaker (Mrs. Carol Hughes)
  • Dec/12/23 12:10:25 p.m.
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The Chair will take this intervention under advisement and get back to the House with an answer if necessary.
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Mr. Yves Perron (Berthier—Maskinongé, BQ)
  • Dec/12/23 12:10:29 p.m.
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Madam Speaker, it would be worth our while to discuss this bill. I would like the member for Winnipeg North to tell me about his vision for the free trade agreement with Ukraine. We obviously agree on the bill, though it still has some shortcomings. The Bloc Québécois has long objected to the fact that private companies can sue governments under free trade agreements by claiming that a government's legislation is detrimental to a company's trade. We see this as a mistake that needs to be corrected. Is my colleague willing to study this issue and make improvements?
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