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House Hansard - 266

44th Parl. 1st Sess.
December 12, 2023 10:00AM
Context: House Hansard - 266 - Dec/12/23
The Assistant Deputy Speaker (Mrs. Alexandra Mendès)
  • Dec/12/23 10:41:51 a.m.
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The sponsor of the motion and the member who had submitted an identical notice have indicated to the Chair that they do not wish to proceed with Motion No. 1. Accordingly, the House will now proceed, without debate, to the putting of the question on the motion to concur in the bill at report stage.
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Mr. Mark Gerretsen
  • Dec/12/23 10:42:34 a.m.
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Madam Speaker, I am very glad to see that the Conservatives chose not to debate the short title. I would ask for a recorded division.
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The Assistant Deputy Speaker (Mrs. Alexandra Mendès)
  • Dec/12/23 10:42:34 a.m.
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The question is on the motion. If a member participating in person wishes that the motion be carried or carried on division, or if a member of a recognized party participating in person wishes to request a recorded division, I would invite them to rise and indicate it to the Chair.
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The Assistant Deputy Speaker (Mrs. Alexandra Mendès)
  • Dec/12/23 10:42:41 a.m.
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Call in the members.
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The Deputy Speaker
  • Dec/12/23 11:25:59 a.m.
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I declare the motion carried.
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Hon. Mary Ng
  • Dec/12/23 11:26:34 a.m.
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moved that the bill be read the third time and passed.
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Mr. Kevin Lamoureux (Parliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons, Lib.)
  • Dec/12/23 11:26:34 a.m.
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Mr. Speaker, the words that come to my mind right away are “all MAGA, all the time”. To me, that is what this vote was all about. I think the vast majority of Canadians truly understand what we just witnessed, and this is not the first time. The Conservative Party today has gone so far to the right—
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Mr. James Bezan
  • Dec/12/23 11:27:16 a.m.
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Madam Speaker, I rise on a point of order. I believe the Standing Orders say we are not allowed to reflect on a vote that has been taken in this House, and the parliamentary secretary is doing that. Also, the parliamentary secretary consistently rises in this place and extols very toxic rhetoric. We have the Minister of Trade sitting right here. Should she not be addressing this instead of the parliamentary secretary?
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The Assistant Deputy Speaker (Mrs. Alexandra Mendès)
  • Dec/12/23 11:27:34 a.m.
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That is definitely not up to the opposition to decide. The hon. member for Kingston and Islands, on the same point of order.
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Mr. Mark Gerretsen
  • Dec/12/23 11:27:39 a.m.
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Madam Speaker, the issue of reflecting on a vote and talking about how one has voted previously is something we all do in this House all the time. I do not know where the member is coming from, other than the fact that he does not want to hear the truth about—
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The Assistant Deputy Speaker (Mrs. Alexandra Mendès)
  • Dec/12/23 11:27:54 a.m.
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We are not going to get into a debate on this. I will make sure this is the case in just a moment. Standing Order 18, on page 12, says, “No member may reflect upon any vote of the House, except for the purpose of moving that such vote be rescinded.” This is in the Standing Orders, and I would ask the hon. parliamentary secretary to retract.
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Mr. Kevin Lamoureux
  • Dec/12/23 11:29:51 a.m.
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Madam Speaker, I am going to continue to reflect on the behaviour of the Conservative Party when the Conservative Party consistently votes against Ukraine.
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The Assistant Deputy Speaker (Mrs. Alexandra Mendès)
  • Dec/12/23 11:30:03 a.m.
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The hon. member was told that is not allowed by the Standing Orders. The hon. member for Mission—Matsqui—Fraser Canyon.
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Mr. Brad Vis
  • Dec/12/23 11:30:13 a.m.
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Madam Speaker, on that point of order, not only do I take great offence to the fact that he referred to the Conservative Party as far right, but I would also note that according to the Standing Orders, that is not the subject of the debate at hand today.
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The Assistant Deputy Speaker (Mrs. Alexandra Mendès)
  • Dec/12/23 11:30:28 a.m.
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Yes, and I have reminded the hon. member that we shall not refer to votes taken in the House.
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Mr. Kevin Lamoureux
  • Dec/12/23 11:30:34 a.m.
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Madam Speaker, I can appreciate that the Conservative Party is a little sensitive right now, because at the end of the day, more and more Canadians are going to come to the realization that the Conservative Party of today is far to the right. It is a pattern we have seen now for months, where the Conservative Party is becoming, as much as possible, the extreme right. I think it is appropriate to point—
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The Assistant Deputy Speaker (Mrs. Alexandra Mendès)
  • Dec/12/23 11:31:10 a.m.
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The hon. member for Mission—Matsqui—Fraser Canyon has a point of order.
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Mr. Brad Vis
  • Dec/12/23 11:31:15 a.m.
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Madam Speaker, we all know that Liberal Party members do not like to participate in debate. They defer to the member for Winnipeg North to do their dirty work—
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The Assistant Deputy Speaker (Mrs. Alexandra Mendès)
  • Dec/12/23 11:31:27 a.m.
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We are not going to enter into that debate. The hon. member for Kingston and the Islands has a point of order.
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Mr. Mark Gerretsen
  • Dec/12/23 11:31:34 a.m.
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Madam Speaker, we have seen this happen before, and it is about the procedure in this House. I know sometimes when this member speaks and sometimes when I speak, there is a coordinated effort among Conservative members to stand up on points of order that quite often are not anywhere near points of order, as the member just did. I am looking to you for guidance, Madam Speaker, as to how you will deal with this procedurally if they continually get up on points of order, especially when they are not relevant or not real points of order. How will you ensure that the member has the opportunity to properly debate in this House?
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