44th Parl. 1st Sess.
December 12, 2023 10:00AM
- Dec/12/23 11:43:32 a.m.
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Madam Speaker, I was explaining that we have the MAGA Conservative who has actually infiltrated the leader of the Conservative Party's office. We see that—
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- Dec/12/23 11:43:57 a.m.
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I have another point of order from the hon. member for Mission—Matsqui—Fraser Canyon.
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- Dec/12/23 11:44:03 a.m.
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Madam Speaker, under Standing Order 18, I would consider that to be disrespectful and offensive language. I am not MAGA. I do not refer to myself—
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- Dec/12/23 11:44:11 a.m.
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That is another point of debate.
The hon. parliamentary secretary may continue his speech.
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- Dec/12/23 11:44:21 a.m.
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Madam Speaker, they are a little sensitive on the other side. At the end of the day, they should take responsibility for their behaviour. The Conservatives, on one hand, want to take certain actions, but when they get called out on it, they get a little sensitive. They say they do not want the member from Winnipeg North to be talking about this, and they do not want the member from Winnipeg North to be talking about that. They are trying to censor what I say.
This is the first time in 30 years I have heard people say we cannot tell people how we voted. I have news for them, despite their trying to prevent me from talking about how they voted inside in the chamber. They may have limited success inside the chamber, but I am going to let people know about the behaviour of members of the Conservative Party of Canada and how they are being influenced by the MAGA movement from the United States coming into Canada. It is very serious stuff. They are not going to stop me from talking about that issue.
It is shameful the way members of the Conservative Party today are playing a destructive force, not only on the floor of the House of Commons in preventing legislation from passing, but also in their behaviour, which other people as well as myself have witnessed, in limiting the types of things that can actually be said.
Members can think about it. They do not want me, from the floor of the House of Commons, telling Canadians how they voted on legislation because they are embarrassed. I am not talking about any specific piece of legislation. I am talking about the principle of my being able to tell Canadians through this platform how they behave inside this chamber. They will not allow me to say that the Conservative Party voted x on any piece of legislation or any motion. That is what they do not want me to say—
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- Dec/12/23 11:46:23 a.m.
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The hon. member for Mission—Matsqui—Fraser Canyon is rising on a point of order.
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- Dec/12/23 11:46:27 a.m.
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Madam Speaker, it is not the Conservative members or the official opposition. It is Standing Order 18, which states, “No member may reflect upon any vote of the House, except”—
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- Dec/12/23 11:46:41 a.m.
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Yes. I did remind the hon. parliamentary secretary of that. The hon. parliamentary secretary is making very broad comments on voting history.
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- Dec/12/23 11:46:53 a.m.
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Madam Speaker, to the member opposite, cry me a river. At the end of the day, he can cry all he wants, but Canadians are going to know how the Conservative Party is behaving within the House of Commons. They are going to know how its members are trying to limit debate and the freedom of individuals like me to tell Canadians specifically how the Conservative Party is voting within the House of Commons.
Conservatives find a standing order. For the first time in 30 years, I see an opposition party that is so scared to be pointed out and told how its members are behaving. It is because they do not like what they are hearing. I believe there is a number of members in the Conservative caucus who feel very uncomfortable with the manner in which they have been forced to vote.
Let me talk about some of the issues. The Conservative Party of Canada demonstrates very clearly the degree to which the MAGA movement in the United States has influenced its members. On the Ukraine trade agreement, there is no other trade agreement I can recall that the Conservatives were in opposition to. This is the only trade agreement they seem to be in opposition to. I am being very generous when I say “seem to be in opposition” because their actions over the last number of weeks, and in fact months, clearly show they have taken that far right stand in support of Russia and against Ukraine.
All one needs to do is take a look at the voting marathon, when the Conservative caucus said it was going to challenge the government of the day. We went line by line, and discussions and votes occurred, as we went line by line. I will not say how the Conservatives voted because, after all, they do not want Canadians to know how they voted, but Canadians would be very disappointed. It is consistent with what we saw today on this particular legislation.
On the issue of funding to reinforce Canada's support of Ukraine, which is better known as Operation Unifier, Canadians would be very disappointed to see how the Conservatives voted. I cannot tell the House because apparently the Conservatives are super sensitive. They do not want Canadians to know.
An hon. member: They didn't vote the same way we did.
Mr. Kevin Lamoureux: Well, I do not know if I can say that. They might jump up.
An hon. member: I voted no. You can comment on that.
Mr. Kevin Lamoureux: Madam Speaker, one member says that I can say that he voted no. I do not want to be called out for being out of order, but it was a Conservative member who said I could say that, so I had permission to say it.
At the end of the day, Operation Unifier is something that supports Ukraine in a very real and tangible way. When one takes—
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- Dec/12/23 11:50:18 a.m.
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I need to interrupt the hon. member.
The hon. member for Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan is rising on a point of order.
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- Dec/12/23 11:50:21 a.m.
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Madam Speaker, you have very clearly made a ruling with respect to a standing order on reflecting on a vote. This is not a matter of what individual members want or prefer, it is simply a matter of enforcement of the ruling you made.
This member is continuing to show disrespect for the Chair, which is against another standing order, by doing everything he can to make a point that the Speaker has said he cannot make. It is not for me to say what the standing order should or should not be or what the Chair should or should not have ruled, but this member is showing profound disrespect to—
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- Dec/12/23 11:50:54 a.m.
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I will refer to our book, the Bosc and Gagnon book on procedure. On page 590, chapter 12. It reads:
It is not in order for Members to “reflect” upon (i.e., to reconsider or comment upon) votes of the House, and when this has occurred, the Chair has been quick to call attention to it. Members have also occasionally called attention to the rule.
I will remind the hon. parliamentary secretary that it is not only a standing order but has also been addressed in House of Commons Procedure and Practice.
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- Dec/12/23 11:51:33 a.m.
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Madam Speaker, I look forward to the report back from the Chair.
On that particular point, and I am rising on a point of order, I would like to use the member for Louis-Saint-Laurent as an example, when he stood up and indicated:
The Liberals voted against that request and even the Bloc Québécois voted against. It is outrageous.
The Bloc Québécois voted in favour of Bill C‑234, but it voted against asking the Senate to adopt it.
We find endless examples like this one, and that is the reason it is important that we—
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- Dec/12/23 11:52:13 a.m.
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I agree with the hon. member. There have been many examples of references to votes but today, the standing order was invoked. That is what we are dealing with. Until such time as the Chair comes back with a decision, I think we have to abide by it.
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- Dec/12/23 11:52:30 a.m.
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Madam Speaker, I was going through what had taken place during the voting marathon in which the Conservative Party continued to demonstrate its lack of support for Ukraine.
When one thinks of Operation Unifier, that is something that literally trained tens of thousands of Ukrainian soldiers and contributed positively to the war. The way in which Canada contributes can be found in many different ways. One of those was on that particular vote and that was actually Motion No. 54. I would encourage Canadians who want to find out exactly how the Conservatives voted to look it up.
Another vote was on funding to reinforce Canada's support for Ukraine, which, again, complemented Unifier. That was on Motion No. 55. Again, I will not say how parties voted, but I would indicate that Canadians might want to take a look at the votes and proceedings, to see how the Conservative Party voted.
Motion No. 56 was on funding for military aid. Think about that: military aid for Ukraine. This item received funding from the Treasury Board vote 5, which is government contingency funding, for the expanded contributions to the North Atlantic Treaty Organization, which is budget 2023, funding to reinforce Canada's support for Ukraine.
If those who are following the debate want to understand why I have said what I have said and have expressed my disappointment in today's Conservative Party, all they need to do is look at the voting record on those motions and, I would suggest, the report stage of the Canada-Ukraine trade agreement bill. A lot of Canadians would be very disappointed in the official opposition.
I would suggest that the reason we have seen that voting pattern by the Conservative Party is the MAGA right movement in the United States of America and how that movement is coming north. It is being jumped on by the leader of the official opposition.
In fact, as I have suggested in the past, we need to be concerned about patterns. One of the patterns that I have witnessed coming from the leader of the official opposition's office is the misinformation and how the official opposition is using that style of politics of MAGA right in order to generate the type of attention that the Conservatives want. They will do it at all costs.
Ukraine is but one—
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- Dec/12/23 11:56:01 a.m.
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The hon. member for Mission—Matsqui—Fraser Canyon is rising on a point of order.
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- Dec/12/23 11:56:04 a.m.
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Madam Speaker, I continue to rise on points of order because the language we are hearing from the member from Winnipeg is contrary to Standing Order 18. It is implying that the Conservative Party of Canada is breaking laws related to treason in Canada.
As a member of Parliament, I find that offensive to assume that we are influenced by a foreign government—
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- Dec/12/23 11:56:28 a.m.
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I do not think the hon. member was implying such a thing. He was referring to influences, not necessarily to being treasonous.
The hon. parliamentary secretary is rising on a point of order.
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- Dec/12/23 11:56:38 a.m.
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Madam Speaker, on the same point of order, I would point out that the Conservatives often make false claims about associations and such—
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- Dec/12/23 11:56:52 a.m.
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We are not going to start a debate on this.
The hon. member for Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan is rising on a point of order.
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