44th Parl. 1st Sess.
November 21, 2022
- 03:41:50 p.m.
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I have a point of order, Mr. Chair.
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- 03:42:10 p.m.
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Mr. Chair, I certainly would not want to question the clerk advising you that you can change the calendar at your leisure to render committee business as efficient as possible. However, to avoid this kind of issue, it might be useful for you to consult with the two vice-chairs of the committee, who, along with you and another member from the Liberal Party, make up the Subcommittee on Agenda and Procedure. It would be more legitimate if you go through the subcommittee to make these kinds of changes.
I understand very well that sometimes changes have to be made to the agreed upon calendar to make committee business more efficient. However, look at the trouble it puts you and the committee in when we have witnesses present.
Mr. Chair, I simply and respectfully suggest that you go through the Subcommittee on Agenda and Procedure in the future, which should prevent these kinds of situations.
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- 04:16:55 p.m.
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Thank you, Mr. Chair.
First, thank you so much to all the witnesses for being here today and enlightening us with your remarks.
If I may, Mr. Chair, I'm going to pick up where Ms. Bendayan left off. She asked Mr. Dumas a question, or at least she was about to ask him.
Mr. Dumas, in your presentation you stated that you had three comments about the bill. The first one was about the preamble. The second one had to do with paragraphs (a) and (c) of the definition of child labour. If I'm not mistaken, you had a third comment to share with us. Would you like an opportunity to enlighten us on that third comment?
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- 04:19:51 p.m.
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Thank you, Mr. Dumas. I find your insight on child labour very compelling, and even a little disturbing.
As I listened to you, I thought to myself, even here, where we do have a certain social safety net, we allow some forms of child labour. For example, look at work in family businesses, or work in the fields in the summer for young people under 16. This is becoming more and more common with parental consent, keeping in mind that school is mandatory until the age of 16. More and more young people are working for fast food companies, for example, due to the labour shortage.
I find the perspective you bring fascinating, in that it sounds like we're berating and lecturing developing countries, when we see forms of child labour happening right here in Quebec and Canada that could probably be considered objectionable under paragraphs (a) and (c) of the definition in the bill.
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- 04:36:00 p.m.
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Isn't that three minutes?
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- 04:36:06 p.m.
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I'm not a member?
Thank you, Mr. Chair.
I have a quick question for you, Mr. Brown.
You yourself mentioned the difficulty customs officers have in determining whether something is coming from Xinjiang or not. I look forward to receiving your brief to get the details of your proposals. That said, aren't your proposals likely to come up against the same constraints, that is to say that we won't be able to distinguish, among products coming from China, what specifically comes from Xinjiang, just as it's impossible for us at the moment to determine whether a product coming from Israel was made in the occupied territories?
How can we get around this difficulty?
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- 04:38:16 p.m.
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- 05:12:50 p.m.
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Thank you, Mr. Chair.
Once again, I'd like to thank the witnesses for being with us and for their remarks.
My question is for Ms. Dwyer and Ms. Chipot.
I imagine that you realize how counter-intuitive what you are asking for is, in that no one can be against apple pie and virtue. Consequently, what is being proposed is really in line with what everyone wants, but it may not go far enough.
Don't you see this as a first step toward something that would be more elaborate?
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- 05:15:17 p.m.
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I understand from your remarks that you favour Bill C‑262 over Bill S‑211.
How would passing Bill S‑211 prevent the subsequent passing of Bill C‑262?
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- 05:16:29 p.m.
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The Minister of Labour's mandate letter instructs him to “introduce legislation to eradicate forced labour from Canadian supply chains and ensure that Canadian businesses operating abroad do not contribute to human rights abuses”.
The two bills before us, Bill S‑211 and Bill C‑262, are parliamentary initiatives.
Do you expect anything from the government in addition to these parliamentary initiatives?
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- 05:27:45 p.m.
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Thank you, Mr. Chair.
Rumour has it that the government will introduce amendments to Bill S‑211. Government colleagues have had the opportunity to see these amendments, but opposition members haven't yet had the opportunity.
If, as is rumoured, some of these amendments would strengthen the bill, do you think we should be open to them? Or do you think that, in order to achieve the objectives you are pursuing, we should reject this bill out of hand and come up with something that isn't piecemeal and is more coherent overall?
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- 05:29:29 p.m.
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