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House Hansard - 77

44th Parl. 1st Sess.
May 30, 2022 11:00AM
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Hon. Joyce Murray
  • May/30/22 8:15:14 p.m.
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Madam Chair, we have not made decisions on the stock mentioned by the member. When I have the science and we can—
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Context: House Hansard - 77 - May/30/22
Hon. Joyce Murray
  • May/30/22 8:16:00 p.m.
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Madam Chair, the decision will be made when the science has been assessed and the decision options have come to me. I will make that decision.
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Context: House Hansard - 77 - May/30/22
Mr. Rick Perkins
  • May/30/22 8:23:31 p.m.
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Madam Chair, when the minister makes a decision to reduce the allowable catch of a species, as the minister has done recently in several cases, does she consider science in the decision-making process?
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Context: House Hansard - 77 - May/30/22
Hon. Joyce Murray
  • May/30/22 8:23:47 p.m.
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Madam Chair, yes, I do consider science. It is the foundation.
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Context: House Hansard - 77 - May/30/22
Mr. Rick Perkins
  • May/30/22 8:23:52 p.m.
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Madam Chair, in considering the science, does the minister ask questions about the science?
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Context: House Hansard - 77 - May/30/22
Hon. Joyce Murray
  • May/30/22 8:24:51 p.m.
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Madam Chair, what I can tell the member is that the department is very committed to doing the science about mackerel, which happens every two years. We follow that closely.
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Context: House Hansard - 77 - May/30/22
Hon. Joyce Murray
  • May/30/22 8:25:31 p.m.
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Madam Chair, I really appreciate the member's recognition of the importance of science and his keen interest in the science of mackerel allocations.
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Context: House Hansard - 77 - May/30/22
Mrs. Caroline Desbiens
  • May/30/22 8:54:34 p.m.
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Madam Chair, does Fisheries and Oceans Canada's science branch include sociologists and economists who participate in the decision-making process?
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Hon. Joyce Murray
  • May/30/22 10:31:35 p.m.
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Mr. Chair, I was referencing the fact that the science of the assessment of the capelin fishery is under way and the decision will be taken soon.
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Context: House Hansard - 77 - May/30/22
Mr. Clifford Small
  • May/30/22 10:31:47 p.m.
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Mr. Chair, if we did not have a vessel on the ocean in the past year doing the capelin survey, where did the science come from?
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Context: House Hansard - 77 - May/30/22
Mr. Clifford Small
  • May/30/22 10:34:20 p.m.
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Mr. Chair, mackerel fishers have reported changing sizes and spawning locations and have asked to be involved in science, to no avail. I would like to ask the minister why.
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Context: House Hansard - 77 - May/30/22
Hon. Joyce Murray
  • May/30/22 10:34:54 p.m.
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Mr. Chair, any of the allocations are based on the science and the stock abundance.
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Context: House Hansard - 77 - May/30/22
Mr. Clifford Small
  • May/30/22 10:37:04 p.m.
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Mr. Chair, in the minister's first appearance at the fisheries committee, the minister referenced unbiased science. Is science provided by ENGOs biased or unbiased?
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Context: House Hansard - 77 - May/30/22
Hon. Joyce Murray
  • May/30/22 10:37:17 p.m.
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Mr. Chair, science is a method and people who appropriately apply that method to gather and analyze data and check it through peer review do science. What can I say? Some—
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Context: House Hansard - 77 - May/30/22
Mr. Clifford Small
  • May/30/22 10:37:37 p.m.
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Mr. Chair, I guess there is just one science. It is all objective. That is wonderful. If the minister were a fish harvester, and her livelihood and investment were at the mercy of ENGOs with agendas to end commercial fishing, can she tell us how she would feel?
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Mr. Mel Arnold
  • May/30/22 11:31:44 p.m.
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Mr. Chair, how important is DFO's at-sea science to its assessment and management of fisheries resources?
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Context: House Hansard - 77 - May/30/22
Hon. Joyce Murray
  • May/30/22 11:31:52 p.m.
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Mr. Chair, all of our science programs are key to managing the fisheries.
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Context: House Hansard - 77 - May/30/22
Mr. Mel Arnold
  • May/30/22 11:45:09 p.m.
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Mr. Chair, who is the final decision-maker as to what science DFO will undertake?
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Context: House Hansard - 77 - May/30/22
Hon. Joyce Murray
  • May/30/22 11:58:02 p.m.
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Mr. Chair, I am always willing to look at new science. I am always willing to adjust our measures to reflect what we have learned, and the southern resident killer whales are a key species for us to protect. There is a review every year, and we will take a look at the enforcement concerns that the member is raising.
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