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House Hansard - 77

44th Parl. 1st Sess.
May 30, 2022 11:00AM
Context: House Hansard - 77 - May/30/22
Hon. Joyce Murray
  • May/30/22 10:32:45 p.m.
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Mr. Chair, acoustic surveys are one tool.
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Mr. Clifford Small
  • May/30/22 10:32:52 p.m.
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Mr. Chair, one DFO official recently said that mackerel do not have swim bladders, as such they cannot be found acoustically. If this is true, how do fishers know where to set their seine?
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Hon. Joyce Murray
  • May/30/22 10:33:04 p.m.
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Mr. Chair, I cannot comment on the wisdom that fishers have over many years of a fishery.
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Mr. Clifford Small
  • May/30/22 10:33:16 p.m.
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Mr. Chair, given changing environmental conditions, does DFO plan to modify the geographic parameters around scientific stock assessments?
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Hon. Joyce Murray
  • May/30/22 10:33:25 p.m.
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Mr. Chair, this is an iterative process. DFO is always consulting and improving—
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Mr. Bob Zimmer
  • May/30/22 10:33:37 p.m.
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Mr. Chair, on a point of order, I do not think it is becoming of this House to have the members making a joke out of this member's comments. I would just ask that respect be given across the way from the members in the Liberal Party to the person asking the questions.
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The Chair
  • May/30/22 10:33:53 p.m.
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Order. We were doing really well here until we started into this. I do not know if it is just the late hour or what it happens to be, but we still have a couple of hours of this, so I would suggest that people just bear in and concentrate so we can get this done. The hon. member for Coast of Bays—Central—Notre Dame.
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Mr. Clifford Small
  • May/30/22 10:34:20 p.m.
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Mr. Chair, mackerel fishers have reported changing sizes and spawning locations and have asked to be involved in science, to no avail. I would like to ask the minister why.
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Hon. Joyce Murray
  • May/30/22 10:34:33 p.m.
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Mr. Chair, in collecting data to make assessments, we do consult with harvesters and others.
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Mr. Clifford Small
  • May/30/22 10:34:43 p.m.
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Mr. Chair, based on DFO surveys, fishing zone 4R has a growing shrimp biomass. Why was the quota cut this year?
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Hon. Joyce Murray
  • May/30/22 10:34:54 p.m.
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Mr. Chair, any of the allocations are based on the science and the stock abundance.
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Mr. Clifford Small
  • May/30/22 10:35:06 p.m.
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Mr. Chair, does DFO consider shrimp to be a forage fish for the exploding Gulf of St. Lawrence redfish biomass?
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Hon. Joyce Murray
  • May/30/22 10:35:14 p.m.
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Mr. Chair, my understanding is the answer is yes, and redfish are predators of the shrimp.
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Mr. Clifford Small
  • May/30/22 10:35:23 p.m.
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Mr. Chair, shrimp fetch as much as $2 a pound. Redfish may fetch one-fifth of that price. Therefore, what sense does it make to stop fishing shrimp in order to grow a less valuable species like redfish?
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Hon. Joyce Murray
  • May/30/22 10:35:38 p.m.
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Mr. Chair, that would not have been the reason to stop fishing the shrimp. We were setting an allocation that would protect the shrimp.
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Mr. Clifford Small
  • May/30/22 10:35:52 p.m.
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Mr. Chair, DFO often references consultations with external scientists. Can the minister tell us which external groups or environmental non-government agencies, ENGOs, these scientists belong to?
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Hon. Joyce Murray
  • May/30/22 10:36:04 p.m.
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Mr. Chair, there is an enormous range of who is consulted because in every stock in every area there are consultations. However, I am happy to provide lists if the member requests that.
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Mr. Clifford Small
  • May/30/22 10:36:20 p.m.
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Mr. Chair, what does influence stock management decisions?
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Hon. Joyce Murray
  • May/30/22 10:36:25 p.m.
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Mr. Chair, discussions are a collaborative process. Harvesters are part of that as well and DFO considers all of the inputs of knowledgeable people who are part of the advisory groups.
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Mr. Clifford Small
  • May/30/22 10:36:39 p.m.
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Mr. Chair, would the minister agree that these ENGOs have a predetermined agenda in some cases?
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