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Stéphane Bergeron

  • Member of Parliament
  • Member of the National Security and Intelligence Committee of Parliamentarians
  • Bloc Québécois
  • Montarville
  • Quebec
  • Voting Attendance: 59%
  • Expenses Last Quarter: $115,582.71

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  • Dec/7/21 9:32:27 p.m.
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Madam Chair, can the minister offer any information about what the Government of Canada is doing to get Canadian children stranded in refugee camps in northern Syria out of there?
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  • Dec/7/21 9:30:41 p.m.
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Madam Chair, I am sorry, but I must insist. Could the minister share any new developments in this case since our last discussion?
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  • Dec/7/21 9:28:54 p.m.
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Madam Chair, I do not believe that going against the entire international community is in any way helpful to the peace process in the region. I would like to point out that this resolution appeared relatively balanced to me because, among other things, it condemned the rocket attacks against the Israelis and sought to establish safe and secure borders for both countries, including Israel. I therefore do not understand this situation or why Canada voted against the resolution. Canada voted against all three resolutions whereas, in committee, Canada had abstained on one of the three resolutions. That is rather surprising. I would now like to address the situation of the daughter of one of my constituents, to whom the minister made a public commitment on the show La semaine des 4 Julie. I would simply like to know what is new in the case of Natalie Morin, who wants to leave Saudi Arabia with her children. She was very clear about that, and she is simply waiting to be given the opportunity to finally leave that country.
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  • Dec/7/21 5:58:15 p.m.
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Madam Speaker, my colleague just asked me a really big question. I want to thank him for that. We can see it with the Russian troops massing on the border with Ukraine. We can see that a number of countries that do not necessarily share our values may have interpreted the coalition's withdrawal from Afghanistan as a sign of weakness and may seek to take advantage of that supposed weakness to impose their views. We certainly have to pay close attention to what is currently happening in Europe, but we also have to pay close attention to what is happening in Asia. I think one of the biggest challenges facing western countries in the relatively near future is the situation in Taiwan. I actually think the People's Republic of China, like Russia, sees the West as weak and a failure. They may believe they are in a position of strength vis-à-vis the western nations. We will most certainly have to ask ourselves some serious questions sooner rather than later, perhaps some of the toughest questions we have had to ask ourselves in many years. What happened and is happening in Afghanistan is bound to have consequences. It is linked to what is happening and likely to happen with the world order that is currently being established.
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  • Dec/7/21 5:56:37 p.m.
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Madam Speaker, I completely agree with my colleague. I think that when we must intervene or are called upon to intervene we must do so in a timely fashion. I also agree with him that Afghanistan, which is currently under Taliban rule, is not the same Afghanistan that the Taliban controlled when the international coalition intervened. This intervention by the international coalition is likely the reason why the Afghanistan of today is not the same one that the Taliban controlled when we first intervened. I agree that we should be optimistic, but we must also take a realistic look at which aspects of our intervention were successful and which aspects were more or less appropriate. Yes, we must intervene, but we must also find the best way to do so.
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  • Dec/7/21 5:54:04 p.m.
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Madam Speaker, I suspect that my colleague from Rosemont—La Petite-Patrie is aware of the speech I gave to the Parliamentary Assembly to the Council of Europe a few days after the election this September, in which I spoke about the repercussions and implications of the conflict in Afghanistan. I spoke about how it is often very difficult to make fundamental changes through military intervention alone, especially when the countries working to drive out the Taliban are dealing with a cultural context that is so different from their own. It was clearly a resounding failure, as I pointed out in my speech, when I spoke about how the Taliban that we chased out has now reclaimed power in Afghanistan. We did all of that work and people were killed and injured for virtually no reason. We must reflect on what kind intervention is possible and on how to intervene in other countries when we want to bring about fundamental social changes.
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  • Dec/7/21 5:51:45 p.m.
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Madam Speaker, I would like to thank my colleague for his kind wishes and his question. I want to say two things in response to that question. First, I believe I said that the amendment we moved sought to remove any attempt to make the motion a partisan exercise. Second, I also had the opportunity to say that we had a Standing Committee on National Defence, a Standing Committee on Immigration and Citizenship and a Standing Committee on Foreign Affairs. However, we must not take a compartmentalized approach to studying this multi-faceted issue. On the contrary, we need a comprehensive perspective to ensure we are not just studying bits and pieces without seeing the big picture. Seeing the tree is all well and good, but it is important to see the forest too, and I believe that is what this committee will enable us to do.
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