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44th Parl. 1st Sess.
June 13, 2023 10:00AM
  • Jun/13/23 10:00:48 a.m.
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It is my duty to lay upon the table, pursuant to subsection 40(1) of the Access to Information Act, the Information Commissioner's report for the fiscal year ended March 21, 2023. Pursuant to Standing Order 108(3)(h), this report is deemed permanently referred to the Standing Committee on Access to Information, Privacy and Ethics.
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  • Jun/13/23 10:04:19 a.m.
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Pursuant to Standing Order 97.1(3)(a), a motion to concur in the report is deemed moved, the question deemed put and a recorded division deemed demanded and deferred. Pursuant to order made on Thursday, June 23, 2022, the recorded division stands deferred until Wednesday, June 14, at the expiry of the time provided for Oral Questions.
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  • Jun/13/23 2:00:05 p.m.
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There will be five minutes for questions and comments for the hon. member when the House resumes consideration of this matter.
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  • Jun/13/23 2:59:55 p.m.
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I must interrupt the hon. member for a second. The member has done nothing wrong, but I would like her to start over. Before she starts over, however, I would like the conversations on both sides of the aisle to stop. They are getting quite loud. I am going to say to members that if they want to talk to each other, it is fine, but maybe they could either whisper to somebody close, or if they are far apart, not yell across the floor but maybe just go outside and come back; that is allowed. The hon. member for Thérèse-De Blainville may begin again.
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  • Jun/13/23 3:09:04 p.m.
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Order. The hon. member for Lambton—Kent—Middlesex can begin from the top, please.
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  • Jun/13/23 3:09:59 p.m.
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We were doing so well. I am going to ask everybody to take a deep breath. Order. Now, let us all listen to each other, not while we are shouting, but just while one person is speaking. Then, one person will ask a question and one person will answer. That is the way it is supposed to work. The hon. parliamentary secretary can take it from the top, please.
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  • Jun/13/23 3:12:06 p.m.
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I am trying to hear what the hon. minister has to say, but the shouting is getting louder and louder. The hon. member for Kamloops—Thompson—Cariboo asked a question; I think he deserves an answer. The hon. minister.
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  • Jun/13/23 3:12:49 p.m.
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The hon. member for Don Valley East.
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  • Jun/13/23 3:14:27 p.m.
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I am sorry. I was distracted. I could not hear the noise that was going on because we were trying to look at what is going on. I am going to ask the hon. member to start from the top so that we can hear his question. I am going to ask everyone to take a deep breath and not heckle each other. Just try to be nice. The hon. member for Skeena—Bulkley Valley.
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  • Jun/13/23 3:15:33 p.m.
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The hon. parliamentary secretary.
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  • Jun/13/23 3:17:24 p.m.
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That is all the time we have for Oral Questions today. The hon. member for Rivière-du-Nord on a point of order.
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  • Jun/13/23 3:18:43 p.m.
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All those opposed to the hon. member moving the motion will please say nay. An hon. member: Nay.
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  • Jun/13/23 3:19:16 p.m.
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The hon. member for Kamloops—Thompson—Cariboo is rising on a point of order.
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  • Jun/13/23 3:19:51 p.m.
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The hon. member for Kingston and the Islands.
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  • Jun/13/23 3:20:02 p.m.
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That is not an apology. Some hon. members: Oh, oh! The Speaker: Order. That is more of a mockery than an apology. I am going to ask the hon. member for Kingston and the Islands to apologize like he means it.
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  • Jun/13/23 3:20:25 p.m.
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It being 3:20 p.m., pursuant to order made on Thursday, June 23, 2022, the House will now proceed to the taking of the deferred recorded division on the motion to concur in the fourth report of the Standing Committee on Human Resources, Skills and Social Development and the Status of Persons with Disabilities. Call in the members.
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  • Jun/13/23 3:33:16 p.m.
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I declare the motion carried.
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  • Jun/13/23 3:33:35 p.m.
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The hon. member for Beauport—Côte-de-Beaupré—Île d'Orléans—Charlevoix on a point of order.
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  • Jun/13/23 3:33:56 p.m.
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Does the House agree with the member's proposal? It is agreed. The hon. member is therefore voting in favour of the motion.
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  • Jun/13/23 3:35:13 p.m.
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I am now ready to rule on the question of privilege raised on June 5 by the member for Leeds—Grenville—Thousand Islands and Rideau Lakes concerning the vacancy in the position of the Conflict of Interest and Ethics Commissioner. In his intervention, the member alleged that the Office of the Conflict of Interest and Ethics Commissioner had been hampered in conducting investigations by the government’s failure to appoint a new commissioner. By extension, the member contended that the ongoing vacancy impeded him and the House in the performance of their parliamentary duties. To support this assertion, he referenced proceedings in the Standing Committee on Access to Information, Privacy and Ethics, where officials from the Office of the Conflict of Interest and Ethics Commissioner indicated that they are limited in their ability to initiate or conclude investigations, until the position of commissioner is filled. As described at pages 239 to 241 of House of Commons Procedure and Practice, third edition, the Conflict of Interest and Ethics Commissioner is appointed by the Governor in Council, after consultations with the leaders of all recognized parties in the House. This appointment process is clearly defined in the Parliament of Canada Act. The House and its committees do play a role in the ratification process in accordance with Standing Order 111.1, but not in the initiation of the appointment process. This authority clearly belongs to the government by statute. The commissioner is an officer of this House who plays an important role in the administration of the conflict of interest regime prescribed by law and by our Standing Orders. It would, of course, serve the interests of all members to have the position filled promptly. As to whether the ongoing vacancy constitutes a prima facie question of privilege, it is a well-established practice that the Chair needs to be satisfied that the matter is raised in the House at the earliest opportunity, while clearly illustrating what breaches of privilege or contempts have occurred. House of Commons Procedure and Practice, third edition, states at page 145: The matter of privilege to be raised in the House must have recently occurred and must call for the immediate action of the House. Therefore, the Member must satisfy the Speaker that he or she is bringing the matter to the attention of the House as soon as practicable after becoming aware of the situation. When a Member has not fulfilled this important requirement, the Speaker has ruled that the matter is not a prima facie question of privilege. The Chair did not hear an explanation as to why this matter should take priority of debate now. The vacancy referenced has been an ongoing matter for some time. Therefore, I cannot find a prima facie question of privilege at this time. I thank members for their attention.
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