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House Hansard - 124

44th Parl. 1st Sess.
November 3, 2022 10:00AM
I am now ready to rule on the point of order raised by the member for Mirabel regarding C-290, an act to amend the Public Servants Disclosure Protection Act, which stands on the Order Paper under his name. In my statement of September 26, 2022, on the management of Private Members’ Business, I expressed concern about Bill C-290. At the time, I encouraged members who wished to make arguments about whether or not the bill requires a royal recommendation to do so. The member for Mirabel, the member for New Westminster—Burnaby and the parliamentary secretary to the government House leader did just that in points of order on September 28, October 21 and October 25, 2022. I would like to thank them for the information they shared in their statements. In his point of order, the sponsor of Bill C-290 explained that clause 5 of the bill stipulates that chief executives must provide support to public servants who make disclosures. He said that this support is not of a financial nature, but instead includes information, referrals, guidance and advice, and would not entail any new expenditures. In addition, regarding the proposed amendments to the definition of “public servant” in subsection 2(1) of the Public Servants Disclosure Protection Act, the member said that, since the act already includes provisions on contract employees in the public sector, adding these employees to the definition does not mean the bill needs a royal recommendation. The member for New Westminster—Burnaby agreed with the bill’s sponsor. In his intervention, he noted that nothing in Bill C-290 indicates that the support provided to public servants who make disclosures must be financial in nature. He further remarked that amending the definition of “public servant” as the bill proposes would only prevent the withholding of a payment or the termination of a contract. As for the parliamentary secretary to the government House leader, he said that the bill’s inclusion of former public servants and those retained under contract would expand the scope of the public servants disclosure protection regime. For this and other reasons, the parliamentary secretary argued that Bill C-290 should be accompanied by a royal recommendation. As stated in House of Commons Procedure and Practice, third edition, on page 838, “Without a royal recommendation, a bill that either increases the amount of an appropriation or extends its objects, purposes, conditions and qualifications is inadmissible on the grounds that it infringes on the Crown’s financial initiative.” The Chair has carefully examined Bill C-290. Currently, section 42.2 of the Public Servants Disclosure Protection Act prohibits some forms of reprisal against contract employees, including payment withholding and contract termination. The new definition of “public servant” proposed by Bill C-290 would, among other things, allow for the payment of compensation or the reimbursement of expenses or financial losses to contract employees who are found to have been subject to a reprisal following an investigation. In the view of the Chair, the implementation of Bill C-290 would infringe on the conditions of the initial royal recommendation that accompanied the current act. Accordingly, a new royal recommendation is now required before the bill can proceed to a final vote in the House at third reading. In the meantime, when the bill is next before the House, debate will continue on the second reading motion, and the motion will be put to a vote at the conclusion of the debate. I thank the members for their attention.
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  • Nov/3/22 2:15:38 p.m.
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Order. I would ask members to listen and show respect for the person who is speaking. There is a lot of noise right now and it is hard to hear what is being said. The hon. member for Saint‑Hyacinthe—Bagot.
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The hon. Minister of Immigration.
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I must interrupt the hon. member for a moment. We are having trouble hearing not only the answers but the questions too. I would ask everyone to show some respect for the person who is speaking, whether they are asking a question or answering one. The hon. member for Rosemont—La Petite-Patrie can begin his question again.
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Order. The hon. Minister of Tourism.
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Order. I have to interrupt the hon. member for La Pointe-de-l'Île. I do not know what is wrong with members today. Everyone is talking at the same time. I will ask members to whisper or leave the chamber if they want to have conversations. If members are going to talk to each other, please get close to each other or go in the hallway, but do not talk at a distance of four or five benches away or across from one another. I will ask the member for La Pointe-de-l'Île to repeat his question so we can all hear it.
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The hon. member for Nunavut.
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I would ask hon. members, when they ask a question, to have the common courtesy to listen and not shout down the person answering the very question they asked. The hon. member for Bonavista—Burin—Trinity.
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I will have the minister start over. What I am getting from people way in the back is that they are having a hard time hearing because of some noises in the forefront. I will ask everyone to listen quietly, although I think everyone is quiet already so there is no need for more instruction. The hon. minister from the, top please.
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The hon. member for Skeena—Bulkley Valley.
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That is all the time we have for Oral Questions today. The hon. member for Churchill—Keewatinook Aski.
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I am going to interrupt. We have a whole side here who is saying that they were not consulted and will not be giving unanimous consent, so I am going to have to stop it there. I am sorry.
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The Chair would like to address the point of order raised yesterday by the member for La Prairie concerning alleged unparliamentary language heard from the sidelines during Oral Questions yesterday. Since the alleged events, the Chair has confirmed what was said. The Chair is of the view that these were indeed disrespectful comments. Exchanges between members of the House are sometimes heated and intense, but the Chair expects everyone to conduct themselves in a dignified manner and to choose their words carefully. As I explained in my decision of March 29, 2022, found on page 3739 of the Debates, and I quote: “We are all here as elected representatives and each of us is entitled to respect. Personal inflammatory language has no place in our debates.” We have been duly elected to fulfill our mandate and represent our constituents. Our presence in this chamber is legitimate and appropriate. I thank the members for their attention.
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  • Re: Bill S-5 
Pursuant to order made on Thursday, June 23, the House will now proceed to the taking of the deferred recorded division on the motion at the second reading stage of Bill S-5. Call in the members.
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Pursuant to order made on Thursday, June 23, the House will now proceed to the taking of the deferred recorded division on the motion to concur in the first report of the Standing Committee on Veterans Affairs.
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Does the hon. member for Argenteuil—La Petite-Nation have anything to say? He has nothing to say. The hon. member for La Prairie.
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I cannot force him to do so. The hon. member for Mégantic—L'Érable.
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The hon. member for Avignon—La Mitis—Matane—Matapédia will have seven minutes remaining when the House resumes debate on this matter. It being 4 p.m., pursuant to order made Friday, October 28, I now invite the Deputy Prime Minister and Minister of Finance to make a statement.
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