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House Hansard - 77

44th Parl. 1st Sess.
May 30, 2022 11:00AM
Context: House Hansard - 77 - May/30/22
Mr. Clifford Small
  • May/30/22 10:31:47 p.m.
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Mr. Chair, if we did not have a vessel on the ocean in the past year doing the capelin survey, where did the science come from?
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Hon. Joyce Murray
  • May/30/22 10:31:59 p.m.
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Mr. Chair, it comes from other fishing data.
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Mr. Clifford Small
  • May/30/22 10:32:05 p.m.
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Mr. Chair, the minister has a responsibility to harvesters. Capelin will show up any day in 4R. When will they see a management plan?
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Hon. Joyce Murray
  • May/30/22 10:32:16 p.m.
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Mr. Chair, the fisheries management plan will be announced when it is completed. We appreciate the fishermen who have contributed data to our—
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The Chair
  • May/30/22 10:32:27 p.m.
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The hon. member.
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Mr. Clifford Small
  • May/30/22 10:32:28 p.m.
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Mr. Chair, does Canadian science rely as heavily on acoustic surveys as other North Atlantic countries, such as Norway and Iceland?
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Hon. Joyce Murray
  • May/30/22 10:32:45 p.m.
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Mr. Chair, acoustic surveys are one tool.
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Mr. Clifford Small
  • May/30/22 10:32:52 p.m.
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Mr. Chair, one DFO official recently said that mackerel do not have swim bladders, as such they cannot be found acoustically. If this is true, how do fishers know where to set their seine?
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Hon. Joyce Murray
  • May/30/22 10:33:04 p.m.
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Mr. Chair, I cannot comment on the wisdom that fishers have over many years of a fishery.
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Mr. Clifford Small
  • May/30/22 10:33:16 p.m.
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Mr. Chair, given changing environmental conditions, does DFO plan to modify the geographic parameters around scientific stock assessments?
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Hon. Joyce Murray
  • May/30/22 10:33:25 p.m.
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Mr. Chair, this is an iterative process. DFO is always consulting and improving—
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Mr. Bob Zimmer
  • May/30/22 10:33:37 p.m.
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Mr. Chair, on a point of order, I do not think it is becoming of this House to have the members making a joke out of this member's comments. I would just ask that respect be given across the way from the members in the Liberal Party to the person asking the questions.
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The Chair
  • May/30/22 10:33:53 p.m.
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Order. We were doing really well here until we started into this. I do not know if it is just the late hour or what it happens to be, but we still have a couple of hours of this, so I would suggest that people just bear in and concentrate so we can get this done. The hon. member for Coast of Bays—Central—Notre Dame.
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Mr. Clifford Small
  • May/30/22 10:34:20 p.m.
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Mr. Chair, mackerel fishers have reported changing sizes and spawning locations and have asked to be involved in science, to no avail. I would like to ask the minister why.
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Hon. Joyce Murray
  • May/30/22 10:34:33 p.m.
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Mr. Chair, in collecting data to make assessments, we do consult with harvesters and others.
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Mr. Clifford Small
  • May/30/22 10:34:43 p.m.
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Mr. Chair, based on DFO surveys, fishing zone 4R has a growing shrimp biomass. Why was the quota cut this year?
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Hon. Joyce Murray
  • May/30/22 10:34:54 p.m.
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Mr. Chair, any of the allocations are based on the science and the stock abundance.
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Mr. Clifford Small
  • May/30/22 10:35:06 p.m.
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Mr. Chair, does DFO consider shrimp to be a forage fish for the exploding Gulf of St. Lawrence redfish biomass?
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Hon. Joyce Murray
  • May/30/22 10:35:14 p.m.
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Mr. Chair, my understanding is the answer is yes, and redfish are predators of the shrimp.
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Mr. Clifford Small
  • May/30/22 10:35:23 p.m.
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Mr. Chair, shrimp fetch as much as $2 a pound. Redfish may fetch one-fifth of that price. Therefore, what sense does it make to stop fishing shrimp in order to grow a less valuable species like redfish?
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