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House Hansard - 73

44th Parl. 1st Sess.
May 17, 2022 10:00AM
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Mr. Speaker, there are numerous precedents on the matter of consultation. The Chair has ruled on many occasions that the Speaker has no discretionary authority to refuse a motion if all the procedural requirements have been met. As indicated on page 676 of House of Commons Procedure and Practice, third edition, “the Chair has no authority to determine whether or not consultation took place nor what constitutes consultation among the representatives of the parties.” Furthermore, Deputy Speaker Comartin, on March 6, 2014, indicated: The nature of the consultation, the quality of the consultation, and the quantity of the consultation is not something that the Chair will involve himself in. That has been the tradition of this House for many years. What the Chair would have to do, in effect, is conduct an extensive investigative inquiry into the nature of the consultation. That is not our role, nor do the rules require it. Therefore, I am rejecting the request for the point of order. Finally, if I may, I will quote Speaker Fraser, who stated on June 6, 1988: ...I do not think the Speaker has the authority, in view of the Speaker's responsibility to rule on procedural matters, to inquire as to what consultation did or did not take place. There might be some occasion when the question of whether or not consultation had taken place on some matter comes before this Chamber. I am not in anyway suggesting what I have heard today either amounts to sufficient consultation or no consultation or any kind of consultation at all. I am just pointing out that, as I read the rule, it is not for me to get into that. I would not want any comments I made today in any way to take away from the ability of the Hon. Member for Windsor West to argue whether a certain set of conversations did or did not amount to consultation at some future time if the Hon. Member wanted to raise the matter again under this Standing Order or any other. I am saying that I think I am bound by the rule as it is and that I cannot investigate whether consultation took place because, frankly, the Standing Order is silent as to my authority to do that.
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  • May/17/22 10:56:11 a.m.
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Madam Speaker, I agree with my colleague from Timmins-James Bay, whom I quite like. Often the Conservatives are puppets of the oil and gas sector, but my colleague from Timmins-James Bay is often a puppet of the Liberal Party. The Standing Committee on Natural Resources received an assistant deputy minister of the environment. Unfortunately, he pretended to have technical problems to avoid answering our questions on the Bay du Nord development project. When I asked that the assistant deputy minister be invited back before the committee, my colleague from Timmins-James Bay was against the idea. He said he did not want assistant deputy minister to come back. As far as dental insurance is concerned, does my colleague not sometimes feel trapped in the Liberal Party's puppet games?
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  • May/17/22 11:35:08 a.m.
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Order, order. I would like to remind members that it is not time for questions and comments. The hon. member has one minute and— An hon. member: Do not ever call me Kathleen Wynne. The Assistant Deputy Speaker (Mrs. Carol Hughes): The hon. member for Timmins—James Bay will come to order. There is one minute and six seconds left. The NDP has the first question on this, and I am sure he will be able to get up to ask questions and make comments. An hon. member: Madam Speaker, I am just hurt. The Assistant Deputy Speaker (Mrs. Carol Hughes): The hon. member for Grande Prairie—Mackenzie has the floor.
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  • May/17/22 12:18:42 p.m.
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Madam Speaker, I understand my colleague's question, but I would like to come back to what he said by way of introduction. He said that he has never seen the Bloc side with the Conservatives more. What I have seen over the past few weeks is my colleague from Timmins—James Bay refusing to allow the deputy minister of the environment to come back to talk to the committee about Bay du Nord. I cannot understand that. How can someone who claims to support the energy transition not want to question a deputy minister on a decision as appalling as Bay du Nord? Sometimes there is a lot of bluster in the House. However, when it comes time to take action, many people back down. We are not backing down on our core values just because we agreed with the Conservatives two or three times.
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  • May/17/22 1:52:48 p.m.
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We have a request for a withdrawal. An hon. member: Oh, oh! The Assistant Deputy Speaker (Mrs. Alexandra Mendès): It could lead us into debate, and we do not have that opportunity. There was a request for an apology. Is the hon. member not ready to make that apology?
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  • May/17/22 3:10:09 p.m.
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Mr. Speaker, the public service has gone back in time to the good old days when the foremen gave orders in English and francophones did their bidding. The federal government is hardly setting an example for CN or Air Canada; in fact, it is doing the same thing. In all, 19% of deputy ministers and associate deputy ministers speak French as their first official language, compared to 31% of workers and 23% of society as a whole. The Prime Minister decides who is to be appointed. He can correct this situation. When will he show leadership and correct this representation gap at the top of the civil service?
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  • May/17/22 3:37:31 p.m.
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Order. Is there a problem with the interpretation? Mr. Jean‑Denis Garon: Madam Speaker, I would like to raise the fact that my colleague is not answering the question. He spouted nonsense. The Assistant Deputy Speaker (Mrs. Carol Hughes): Since that is not a point of order I would ask the members to listen to the response. The hon. parliamentary secretary has time for a brief response.
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  • May/17/22 7:06:26 p.m.
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It is my duty to interrupt the proceedings and put forthwith the question on the motion now before the House. The question is on the motion. Shall I dispense? Some hon. members: No. [Chair read text of motion to House.] The Assistant Deputy Speaker (Mrs. Alexandra Mendès): If a member of a recognized party present in the House wishes to request a recorded division or that the motion be adopted on division, I would invite them to rise and indicate it to the Chair. The hon. member for Barrie—Innisfil.
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