44th Parl. 1st Sess.
October 5, 2023
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Thank you very much, everybody. We appreciate everyone's patience. I know we're starting an hour late, but I've adjusted accordingly.
Given our first panel, there's no need for presentations because they were here last time. I simply want to thank you for coming back.
I'll announce your names. Matthew Taylor and Joanna Wells, you were here last time.
For Mr. Fortin, we have one person who is here virtually. He has been tested and it works fine.
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- 04:29:40 p.m.
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No. That's a fair point.
We will have a four-minute round with the witnesses. We'll start with that. Our apologies for the delay.
Welcome to meeting number 76 of the House of Commons Standing Committee on Justice and Human Rights.
Pursuant to the order of reference adopted by the House on October 5, 2023, the committee is meeting in public to continue its study on the subject matter of Bill S‑12.
After the first panel, I'll ask for a motion on Bill S‑12, but I think right now, due to the fact that we're so delayed, we'll simply start with questioning the witnesses for four minutes each.
I will start with Mr. Van Popta, please.
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Answer very quickly, please.
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Thank you very much.
I'll now move on to Mr. Mendicino.
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Thank you for that.
Next is Mr. Fortin.
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Thank you, Mr. Taylor and Mr. Fortin.
We will now move to Mr. Garrison.
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- 04:51:15 p.m.
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Thank you, Mr. Taylor.
Thank you so much to both of you for coming. We really appreciate that.
You're free to go—subject to anybody contacting you outside of the committee.
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I have probably only 60 seconds, given what just happened in the House and the bill now coming to our meeting.
I need someone to move a motion that all testimony received in our study on the subject matter of Bill S-12 be deemed heard in our study of the said bill.
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- 04:53:03 p.m.
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Mr. Maloney, thank you very much.
Please take a look if you have not; I think this was sent to you. Also on your desks there is a calendar. We really worked very hard in anticipation of this coming so that we don't waste any time, because we kind of foresaw that we might be starting late.
If you take a look, we have a break week—happy Thanksgiving, by the way, to everyone. When we return the week after that, on the 17th, the deadline will be noontime to submit amendments for Bill S-12. Then, on October 19, we will have our study of Bill S-12, our clause-by-clause. On the 17th, we'll have a meeting as usual, with witnesses on Bill S-12. Does that work for everyone?
Some hon. members: Agreed.
The Chair: Thank you very much.
We now have three witnesses.
Yes, Mr. Garrison.
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Yes. What do you propose?
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The clerk is telling me that they require 48-hour notice but there's always a possibility to bring amendments on the day as well.
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Thank you. That's perfect. Obviously, you would send them probably ahead of time.
Go ahead, Mr. Brock.
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What we will probably do is have a steering committee meeting—and we'll decide that on the 17th, because we haven't gone beyond Bill S-12 at the moment—so that we can decide on what needs to happen.
Are you okay with that?
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- 04:55:22 p.m.
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Welcome to our witnesses.
My apologies, today was not a normal day in terms of timing. We appreciate all three of you being here. I will introduce all three of you. You were with us before, and we very much appreciate it. I concur wholeheartedly with Mr. Mendicino's remarks earlier. We very much appreciate all the work that you have done with the study.
With us we have Megan Stephens, criminal and constitutional lawyer at Megan Stephens Law; Morrell Andrews, member of My Voice, My Choice; and Suzanne Zaccour, director of legal affairs, National Association of Women and the Law.
I'm going to leave it up to you. I know you understand the time constraints we're under.
Mr. Garrison, apologies, but I had five people come to me before we started and say we need to conclude at 5:30 today. We shrank it as much as we could.
I'm going to leave it up to you. I know you all have prepared statements. Take whatever time you need, up to five minutes, and if you take less, that's quite all right as well. Then we'll move into questioning. Thank you very much.
I will ask Ms. Stephens to please commence.
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Thank you very much. That was exactly five minutes.
Next we have Ms. Andrews, please.
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Thank you, Ms. Andrews.
The clerk tells me you've sent something in just recently. We will get it translated and circulated to everyone on the committee.
Ms. Zaccour, go ahead.
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Thank you very much.
If it's okay with everyone, for the first round—maybe the only round—we will go with four minutes each. Does that work for all of you?
Some hon. members: Agreed.
The Chair: Okay.
Mr. Brock, go ahead.
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Thank you very much, Mr. Brock.
Ms. Brière, you have the floor.
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Thank you very much.
Mr. Fortin, go ahead.
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