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House Hansard - 292

44th Parl. 1st Sess.
March 20, 2024 02:00PM
Context: House Hansard - 292 - Mar/20/24
The Chair
  • Mar/20/24 10:33:59 p.m.
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The hon. member for Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan is rising on a point of order.
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Mr. Garnett Genuis
  • Mar/20/24 10:34:02 p.m.
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Mr. Chair, the member is violating the rules. He knows that it is unparliamentary to make implications about the presence or absence of members in the chamber. I hope you will call him to order.
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The Chair
  • Mar/20/24 10:34:16 p.m.
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I really do not recall his actually saying whether he was here or not. I would say that we should be judicious in what we are saying and make sure we do not say whether someone is here. The hon. member for Etobicoke Centre.
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Mr. Yvan Baker
  • Mar/20/24 10:34:32 p.m.
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Mr. Chair, I never mentioned anybody's presence or absence. What I talked about was the position of the leader of the Conservative Party. He required his MPs to vote three times against the Canada-Ukraine free trade agreement and against military aid for Ukraine. They voted to cut Operation Unifier. They voted against funding for Ukrainian immigrants settling here in Canada. Yesterday I personally went to the Senate and watched Conservative senators unanimously vote against the Canada-Ukraine free trade agreement. The leader of the Conservative Party will not say whether he will support the security agreement with Ukraine that Canada signed. What has happened to the Conservative Party of Brian Mulroney or John Diefenbaker? In summary, there is a far right movement in Canada, just like there is in the U.S., where it has taken over the Republican Party, that believes the pro-Putin propaganda and does not support Ukraine. There is a Putin wing in the Conservative Party, and the leader of the Conservative Party is seeking to earn its support. The Putin wing has taken over the Conservative Party. The second thing that has happened is that he is trying to consolidate the PPC vote, and the PPC has always been pro-Putin and anti-Ukraine. He is pandering to the PPC vote and has given in to the Putin wing of the Conservative Party. That is what has happened with the Conservative Party. We need to make sure that we stand with Ukraine until it wins, and for that to happen, the Conservative Party, and specifically the leader, needs to step up and start voting in favour of Ukraine. He needs to make sure his members step up, and make sure they start voting for Ukraine. That is how we are going to make sure Ukraine wins. That is how we are going to make sure we all win. Slava Ukraini.
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Mrs. Laila Goodridge (Fort McMurray—Cold Lake, CPC)
  • Mar/20/24 10:36:14 p.m.
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Mr. Chair, what is absolutely disgraceful is the member sitting here and spewing mistruths in this chamber and sowing disinformation. Frankly, I do not expect anything different from the member. What Ukraine needs right now is light armoured vehicles and rockets. What it needs right now—
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The Chair
  • Mar/20/24 10:36:33 p.m.
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The hon. parliamentary secretary to the government House leader is rising on the same point of order.
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Mr. Kevin Lamoureux (Parliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons, Lib.)
  • Mar/20/24 10:36:36 p.m.
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Mr. Chair, all members in the chamber are honourable. I think many of the words the member used were borderline unparliamentary. I would just suggest— An hon. member: Oh, oh! Mr. Kevin Lamoureux: I heard what the member opposite said. I have also been listening to what he is calling—
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The Chair
  • Mar/20/24 10:36:56 p.m.
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We will just take a break here. The hon. member for Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan is rising on the same point of order.
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Mr. Garnett Genuis (Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, CPC)
  • Mar/20/24 10:37:02 p.m.
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Mr. Chair, members have been called to account before many times, on various sides, for suggesting that members of the House have sympathy with foreign authoritarian regimes. The member who just spoke made an outrageous, verifiably false and unparliamentary claim. He accused members of being part of a so-called pro-Putin wing. He was not called to order by you, Mr. Chair. Now the Liberal member is continuing to cast aspersions. Frankly, it is disgusting to see what the Liberals are doing here. They are trying to foment division when we should be trying to work together on this issue. I would ask you, Mr. Chair, to call these members to account for their unparliamentary language and their disgraceful conduct during this debate tonight.
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The Chair
  • Mar/20/24 10:38:00 p.m.
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The Speaker has ruled on this. He has mentioned that members should be judicious in how we are being recognized here in Canada. What we do here is seen across the world. Saying that one is part of a certain group is incorrect and, I would suggest, unparliamentary in this case. Therefore, I would ask the hon. member to hold back on the rhetoric a bit, rephrase and try to stay away from that. On the same point of order, the hon. parliamentary secretary.
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Mr. Kevin Lamoureux
  • Mar/20/24 10:38:43 p.m.
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Mr. Chair, we have to be very careful that we do not start saying that members cannot say a political entity in the House is affiliated with another type of organization. That is often referenced in many different ways. I am just raising that. I do not believe the member has to apologize—
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The Chair
  • Mar/20/24 10:39:08 p.m.
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When someone in the House is saying that someone is standing with Putin, that is probably a little too far out on the edge, as the Speaker has ruled. The hon. member for Etobicoke Centre.
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Mr. Yvan Baker (Etobicoke Centre, Lib.)
  • Mar/20/24 10:39:24 p.m.
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Mr. Chair, I think if you check Hansard, you will find that I did not speak about individual members. I said that there is a pro-Putin wing in the Conservative Party, and that is not—
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The Chair
  • Mar/20/24 10:39:40 p.m.
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I think that is exactly what has been brought up here.
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Mr. Garnett Genuis
  • Mar/20/24 10:40:16 p.m.
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Mr. Chair, he was saying exactly the same thing about the NDP, so he should have to apologize.
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The Chair
  • Mar/20/24 10:40:28 p.m.
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The member for Miramichi—Grand Lake was asked to apologize for saying something very similar to, I think, what the hon. member for Edmonton Strathcona said. The hon. member should retract that and apologize for it. Then we can go on and ask questions. The hon. member for Etobicoke Centre.
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Mr. Yvan Baker
  • Mar/20/24 10:40:39 p.m.
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Mr. Chair, what I said was fact. What I said was not in breach of the Speaker's ruling— Some hon. members: Oh, oh!
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Mr. Yvan Baker
  • Mar/20/24 10:40:42 p.m.
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Mr. Chair, I will not apologize for speaking the truth.
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The Chair
  • Mar/20/24 10:40:42 p.m.
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I have asked you to retract it. Please retract it and apologize, or your evening is going to come to an end. The hon. member for Etobicoke Centre.
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The Chair
  • Mar/20/24 10:41:01 p.m.
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I will make this easy. The hon. member will not be recognized until he apologizes. We will go on to the next speaker, the hon. member for Jonquière.
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