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House Hansard - 237

44th Parl. 1st Sess.
October 23, 2023 11:00AM
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The Speaker
  • Oct/23/23 11:51:03 a.m.
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It is my duty to inform hon. members that pursuant to Standing Order 93(3), no amendment may be proposed to a private member's motion or to the motion for second reading of a private member's bill unless the sponsor of the item indicates his or her consent. Therefore, I ask the hon. member for Elmwood—Transcona if he consents to this amendment being moved.
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The Speaker
  • Oct/23/23 11:51:57 a.m.
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The amendment is in order. Resuming debate, the hon. parliament secretary.
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Context: House Hansard - 237 - Oct/23/23
The Speaker
  • Oct/23/23 11:53:21 a.m.
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There is a point of order from the hon. member for Cowichan—Malahat—Langford.
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Context: House Hansard - 237 - Oct/23/23
The Speaker
  • Oct/23/23 11:53:48 a.m.
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I thank the hon. member for raising that point. However, because we are resuming debate on an amendment, the hon. member for Winnipeg North may rise in the House to take part in this debate. On a point of order, the hon. member for Perth—Wellington.
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The Speaker
  • Oct/23/23 11:55:07 a.m.
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Regrettably, the Chair saw the parliamentary secretary before seeing the member for Elmwood—Transcona. I regret this is the case. It happens from time to time. I do make an honest attempt to make sure I recognize the first person on her or his feet. In this case, I saw the parliamentary secretary.
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Context: House Hansard - 237 - Oct/23/23
The Speaker
  • Oct/23/23 11:57:10 a.m.
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The hon. member for Winnipeg Centre has a point of order.
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Context: House Hansard - 237 - Oct/23/23
The Speaker
  • Oct/23/23 11:57:36 a.m.
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I would like to reassure all members that the member for Elmwood Transcona will have his full five minutes for his right of reply. The House started its session at 11:04 today; Private Members' Business will continue until 12:04. The parliamentary secretary, the member for Winnipeg North.
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The Speaker
  • Oct/23/23 11:58:45 a.m.
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I would like to recognize the member for Elmwood—Transcona for his right of reply.
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The Speaker
  • Oct/23/23 2:34:28 p.m.
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I will ask all members, even those who are not sitting in their normal seats, to please listen to the response. When they have the floor, they will be able to ask their questions. The hon. member for Simcoe North.
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The Speaker
  • Oct/23/23 3:07:09 p.m.
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I want to remind all members to please refrain from using mock names. The hon. parliamentary secretary.
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The Speaker
  • Oct/23/23 3:08:08 p.m.
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I want to remind all hon. members once again to please refrain from using mock titles. The hon. Minister of Justice and Attorney General of Canada.
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The Speaker
  • Oct/23/23 3:16:15 p.m.
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I thank the member for South Shore—St. Margarets for raising this issue. The issue that came up was the mock name: the NDP-Liberal cover-up coalition. I might not have the correct term, but that is what I was referring to.
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The Speaker
  • Oct/23/23 3:18:03 p.m.
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It being 3:16 p.m., the House will now proceed to the taking of the deferred recorded division on the motion at second reading stage of Bill C-50. Call in the members.
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The Speaker
  • Oct/23/23 3:30:34 p.m.
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  • Re: Bill C-50 
I declare the motion carried. Accordingly, the bill stands referred to the Standing Committee on Natural Resources. The Speaker: I wish to inform the House that because of the deferred recorded division, Government Orders will be extended by 12 minutes.
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Context: House Hansard - 237 - Oct/23/23
The Speaker
  • Oct/23/23 3:31:46 p.m.
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I am now, colleagues, ready to rule on the point of order raised on October 20 by the member for Calgary Shepard concerning an alleged use of unparliamentary language by the member for Whitby. In his intervention, the member for Calgary Shepard stated that the member for Whitby accused the member for Leeds—Grenville—Thousand Islands and Rideau Lakes of making false claims in his oral question. The member for Calgary Shepard asserted that this was akin to claiming a member had deliberately mislead the House, had lied and that it was a breach of privilege to do so. The Deputy House leader of the government countered that it did not appear clear that the exchange was in fact problematic. The member for Timmins—James Bay made the point that there was nothing wrong in stating that another member had “falsely claimed” a given assertion, noting that the expression has been used in the House frequently. In reaching a conclusion, I am guided by precedents from my predecessors. On October 13, 1966, Speaker Lucien Lamoureux, at page 8599 of Debates, made the following point: ...is not, per se, unparliamentary to say of another Member that the statement he makes is false, untrue, wrong, incorrect or even spurious, unless there is an improper motive imputed or unless the Member making the charge claims the untruth was stated to the knowledge of the person stating any such alleged untruth. I have also reviewed past Debates when similar occasions occurred. I note this expression being used with a certain regularity from all sides in the House. Members may disagree about facts or argue that certain assertions are false. What is unparliamentary is to suggest that a member has deliberately stated something that is false or misleading, as it implies a dishonest intent. In examining the exchange from last Friday and in considering past precedents, given the frequent use of similar expressions, I cannot find that the language itself was unparliamentary or that it constituted any sort of breach of privilege. That being said, it is incumbent upon the member for Whitby and all members to stay as far away as possible from imputing intent or motives to their colleagues and to not look for ways to do indirectly what they cannot do directly. Mindful of my recent statement on decorum of October 18, members may find themselves looking to the Chair, from time to time, for guidance in how to interpret these new guidelines. I would ask all members to show mutual respect and good faith toward each other during the course of debate or in asking or responding to questions, and to abide by the spirit of Speaker Lamoureux's wise words. While I cannot find anything unparliamentary in this instance, I would like to reiterate a point made in last Wednesday's statement, on page 17593 of Debates, “too frequently our ideas and thoughts are expressed in provocative terms leading to tense exchanges that harm the necessary collegiality for our work.” I implore members to take this message to heart when interacting with one another here in the House. Being judicious with our choice of words will, I think, reduce the frequency of disputes that arise between us and will lead to a more collegial environment for all. I thank all members for their attention.
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