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House Hansard - 205

44th Parl. 1st Sess.
June 2, 2023 10:00AM
  • Jun/2/23 10:09:49 a.m.
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We also have the hon. member for Northumberland—Peterborough South. Is it on this same point of order, or is it a different point of order? Mr. Philip Lawrence: It is a different point of order. The Assistant Deputy Speaker (Mrs. Carol Hughes): That is perfect. Based on past practice, as the parliamentary secretary has mentioned, it is customary for the member of Parliament who wishes to raise issues such as this one to be in touch with the Speaker first, before bringing it to the House. I will just let the hon. member for Calgary Forest Lawn briefly finish up his point of order, and we will then go from there.
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  • Jun/2/23 10:11:38 a.m.
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I am sorry. I have another point of order. The hon. parliamentary secretary to the government House leader.
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  • Jun/2/23 10:12:20 a.m.
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I did not indicate for the hon. member to conclude his report; I asked him to wrap it up. Therefore, if he could, I would ask him to wrap it up as I indicated. The hon. parliamentary secretary is correct that the hon. member should have been in touch with the Speaker on this matter ahead of time and that once a decision is made, that is when the discussion could be put forward. Therefore, I would ask the member to wrap it up in two minutes.
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  • Jun/2/23 10:14:02 a.m.
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The report was tabled on Wednesday, and, as customary, the decision to move forward with the bill could be at any time. Hon. members know that once a report is tabled, it can move forward at any time. Therefore, I have heard enough of the arguments before the House right now. I would ask the hon. member to wrap it up in two minutes, and then we are going to be moving forward with the orders of the day. The hon. member for Calgary Forest Lawn.
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  • Jun/2/23 10:14:53 a.m.
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The hon. member for Northumberland—Peterborough South has a point of order.
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  • Jun/2/23 10:15:13 a.m.
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I will be going to your point of order. The hon. member for Calgary Forest Lawn.
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  • Jun/2/23 10:16:40 a.m.
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I am going to cut the hon. member off there. Those are arguments that need to be made, and the hon. member has not heard the decision yet. I will end this point of order here, and I will take under advisement the information the member has already provided, until such time as I render a decision. Then the hon. member will be able to comment on it if he wants to. However, to bypass the procedure and to argue on something he anticipates is either being put forward or not being put forward is not the proper process. The hon. member for Northumberland—Peterborough South has a point of order.
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  • Jun/2/23 10:18:12 a.m.
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I have a point of order on your point of order. The hon. parliamentary secretary to the government House leader.
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  • Jun/2/23 10:18:26 a.m.
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One moment please. We have already started hearing part of what this is, but we have not heard what the point of order is that the hon. parliamentary secretary is saying. I will allow the hon. member for Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan a point of order once we have heard the basics of this point of order.
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  • Jun/2/23 10:20:26 a.m.
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I have not heard enough of the point of order from the hon. member for Northumberland—Peterborough South to determine whether it is in order, so if we can allow him to elaborate. It is different from the previous point of order. This is more about regrouping. Again, it seems to border on a decision that has not been rendered yet. I will just double check that by allowing him to elaborate a little bit more on his point of order before I indicate whether I will allow him to go even further. The hon. member for Northumberland—Peterborough South.
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  • Jun/2/23 10:21:35 a.m.
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Some of what the hon. member is bringing up is debate. I would just ask him to get to his point of order without bringing debates into the matter. The hon. member for Northumberland—Peterborough South.
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  • Jun/2/23 10:23:07 a.m.
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I just want to remind the member that decisions made by the committee are not things that the Speaker can rule on, as mentioned on a number of occasions while I have been here. Other speakers have also indicated that we do not give rulings to committees. Committees are an entity in themselves and make their own decisions. If there are matters about the report itself, those matters within the report are what can be debated. At this point in time, I am not satisfied with the additional information the hon. member is providing, especially given the fact that there has not been a decision read out and rendered by the Speaker. The hon. member for Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan has a point of order.
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  • Jun/2/23 10:25:18 a.m.
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The hon. parliamentary secretary is rising on the previous point of order.
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  • Jun/2/23 10:26:08 a.m.
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The hon. member for Northumberland—Peterborough South wants to weigh in on the point of order again.
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  • Jun/2/23 10:27:17 a.m.
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The hon. member is basing his arguments on an anticipated decision, and that has not happened yet. That point of order is not acceptable, and I will end it here. The hon. member for Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan can proceed with his question of privilege.
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  • Jun/2/23 10:30:04 a.m.
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There is a point of order by the hon. parliamentary secretary.
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  • Jun/2/23 10:30:38 a.m.
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This is not a point of order, but a question of privilege. I will allow the hon. member to continue. The hon. member for Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan has the floor.
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  • Jun/2/23 10:30:56 a.m.
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I want to remind the hon. parliamentary secretary that this is not a point of debate. This is a question of privilege, and a question of privilege is to be explained. However, there is limited time to bring forward the information the Speaker requires, so I would just ask the member to try to keep it as brief as possible. The hon. member for Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan has the floor.
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  • Jun/2/23 10:37:02 a.m.
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The hon. parliamentary secretary to the government House leader is rising on a point of order.
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  • Jun/2/23 10:38:01 a.m.
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The hon. member for Simcoe—Grey is rising on a point of order.
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