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House Hansard - 191

44th Parl. 1st Sess.
May 4, 2023 10:00AM
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The Assistant Deputy Speaker (Mrs. Carol Hughes)
  • May/4/23 10:17:50 a.m.
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Order. It is not the proper time for the hon. member to be yelling across the way when I have not recognized him. The hon. parliamentary secretary to the government House leader.
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Hon. Mike Lake (Edmonton—Wetaskiwin, CPC)
  • May/4/23 11:02:35 a.m.
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Madam Speaker, that was quite a speech after we just sat and watched a group of Liberal members of Parliament mocking and laughing at the member for St. Albert—Edmonton as he was speaking earlier. The member talks about taking these concerns very seriously, but earlier, in a question, the member for Kingston and the Islands referred to the member for Wellington—Halton Hills as “supposedly affected” by this situation. The Liberal parliamentary secretary to the House leader, in referring to the member for Wellington—Halton Hills, while heckling, said that the member is not credible. This is a quote. Will the hon. member—
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Context: House Hansard - 191 - May/4/23
The Assistant Deputy Speaker (Mrs. Carol Hughes)
  • May/4/23 11:03:07 a.m.
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The hon. parliamentary secretary to the government House leader is rising on a point of order.
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The Deputy Speaker
  • May/4/23 12:05:32 p.m.
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With the debate we are having today, I understand the passion. The hon. member for Winnipeg North was making a comment and was going to be asking a question. I do not know if the hon. member had finished. The hon. parliamentary secretary.
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The Deputy Speaker
  • May/4/23 12:28:28 p.m.
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The hon. parliamentary secretary to the government House leader is rising on a point of order.
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Hon. Mike Lake
  • May/4/23 12:32:26 p.m.
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Mr. Speaker, I will point out that the hon. member, in his defence, mentioned coming in 15 seconds before the member for St. Albert—Edmonton stopped speaking. I will point out that it was the precise moment that chaos descended on this conversation. It was his question for the hon. member for St. Albert—Edmonton that triggered the condescension and mockery among his colleagues over here. It was his question where he talked about the member's being "supposedly affected“, which he apologized for unreservedly but reservedly a few minutes ago, and that was what triggered the other parliamentary secretary to the House leader, though it is hard to keep track of the parliamentary secretaries to the House leader over there, the member for Winnipeg North, who then said to his laughing colleagues that the member is not credible, talking about the member for Wellington—Halton Hills.
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The Deputy Speaker
  • May/4/23 1:19:59 p.m.
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We are descending into debate. The member has a whole three minutes left in his time. The hon. parliamentary secretary to the government House leader.
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The Deputy Speaker
  • May/4/23 1:27:06 p.m.
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The hon. parliamentary secretary.
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The Deputy Speaker
  • May/4/23 1:33:43 p.m.
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The hon. parliamentary secretary has the floor for one more minute and then I will move on to the next speaker.
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Hon. Kerry-Lynne Findlay (South Surrey—White Rock, CPC)
  • May/4/23 3:16:54 p.m.
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Mr. Speaker, I rise on a point of order. We are looking for some consistency in the Speaker's rulings. On March 31, 2023, in this House, the Liberal Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister of Intergovernmental Affairs, Infrastructure and Communities said: Madam Speaker, I am absolutely disgusted that the member opposite would outright lie, and yes, I am saying “outright lie”. Later on, when asked by the Speaker to withdraw that statement, the same parliamentary secretary said: Madam Speaker, I will withdraw the word but the sentiment remains, that it absolutely did not— She was then cut off because of the noise in the room. The point is that there should be consistency in rulings from the Chair. That member was not sanctioned, nor was time taken away from the Liberal Party. That person was not threatened with being kicked out of this House or any similar type of sanction. We want consistency in the rulings from the Chair so that we understand how we can and are able to conduct ourselves in this place.
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Hon. Kerry-Lynne Findlay
  • May/4/23 3:18:57 p.m.
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Mr. Speaker, we have heard many times in this place that one cannot do indirectly what one cannot do directly. By saying that she withdrew the word but not the sentiment, she doubled down on what she was saying and on the remark she had made. I need no lessons from the parliamentary secretary— Some hon. members: Oh, oh!
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Hon. Kerry-Lynne Findlay
  • May/4/23 3:19:29 p.m.
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Mr. Speaker, I am conflicted as to whether the parliamentary secretary was saying that I do not know my job or do not know how to address the Speaker. I am talking to the Speaker, the Chair of these proceedings. My statement is that one cannot do indirectly what one should not do directly. Saying “I withdraw the word but not the sentiment” is doubling down on those words. We all know it. However, this member was in no way sanctioned for the comments made on March 31, 2023.
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Hon. Mark Holland (Leader of the Government in the House of Commons, Lib.)
  • May/4/23 3:21:08 p.m.
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Mr. Speaker, let me clarify that the Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister of Intergovernmental Affairs, Infrastructure and Communities was actually informed by the Speaker that if she was not to apologize, then she would not be able to speak in the House. She did then go the next week and apologize, unequivocally, in the House. I understand that the opposition whip may not have been present when the member was in the House and did apologize, but the Speaker was very clear that if the member did not apologize, she would not be able to speak. Subsequent to what the member quoted, many days later, she rose in her place at the first opportunity, and she clearly and unequivocally apologized. I believe this was after we returned from a time in our constituencies.
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The Speaker
  • May/4/23 3:30:31 p.m.
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Okay, we can put that to rest. The hon. parliamentary secretary to the government House leader is rising on a point of order.
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The Assistant Deputy Speaker (Mrs. Alexandra Mendès)
  • May/4/23 4:10:48 p.m.
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Can we have some order, please? The hon. parliamentary secretary has the floor.
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The Assistant Deputy Speaker (Mrs. Alexandra Mendès)
  • May/4/23 4:11:45 p.m.
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Can we let the hon. member ask his question without interruptions, please? An hon. member: After he apologizes. The Assistant Deputy Speaker (Mrs. Alexandra Mendès): Can we let the hon. member ask his question? The Speaker made a ruling, and we will wait until the Speaker comes back to the House. The hon. parliamentary secretary.
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The Assistant Deputy Speaker (Mrs. Alexandra Mendès)
  • May/4/23 4:27:04 p.m.
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The Speaker has made a statement on this matter, and the Speaker will come back to the House. The hon. parliamentary secretary.
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Mr. James Bezan
  • May/4/23 5:13:52 p.m.
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Madam Speaker, I can quote the parliamentary secretary to the House leader for the government—
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The Assistant Deputy Speaker (Mrs. Carol Hughes)
  • May/4/23 5:28:37 p.m.
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The hon. parliamentary secretary to the government House leader is rising on a point of order.
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The Assistant Deputy Speaker (Mrs. Carol Hughes)
  • May/4/23 5:42:16 p.m.
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I am sorry, but this is questions and comments. There is five minutes of questions and comments, so does the hon. parliamentary secretary have a question for the member?
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