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House Hansard - 77

44th Parl. 1st Sess.
May 30, 2022 11:00AM
Context: House Hansard - 77 - May/30/22
Hon. Joyce Murray
  • May/30/22 10:07:12 p.m.
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Mr. Chair, I am proud to say we were able to intercept the zebra mussels that were coming in through aquarium imports. We work closely with several departments.
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Mrs. Tracy Gray
  • May/30/22 10:07:26 p.m.
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Mr. Chair, I was not referring to importation. I was referring to being across the country. What the minister is referring to is actually mussels that were coming in through aquariums, which CBSA caught, and I am referring to across Canada. The fisheries department refers to deleterious substances to be used to eradicate aquatic invasive mussels. Is this the best way to eradicate aquatic invasive mussels?
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Hon. Joyce Murray
  • May/30/22 10:07:57 p.m.
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Mr. Chair, the campaign that provides boaters with information about the risks and the need to clean their boats and motors so they do not transport the invasive species from one aquatic watershed to another is an important function of the department.
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Mrs. Tracy Gray
  • May/30/22 10:08:18 p.m.
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Mr. Chair, is this one of the methods that should be used?
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Hon. Joyce Murray
  • May/30/22 10:08:23 p.m.
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Mr. Chair, if “this” refers to publicity to educate boaters, then yes.
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Mrs. Tracy Gray
  • May/30/22 10:08:35 p.m.
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Mr. Chair, does the minister agree with purposefully putting pesticides or other chemicals into waterways?
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Hon. Joyce Murray
  • May/30/22 10:08:44 p.m.
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Mr. Chair, well, there are times when that is necessary, such as lampricides, which deal with sea lampreys in the Great Lakes.
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Mrs. Tracy Gray
  • May/30/22 10:08:53 p.m.
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Mr. Chair, does the minister agree that it is acceptable to use deleterious substances to eradicate aquatic invasive mussels in waterways that are public drinking water?
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Hon. Joyce Murray
  • May/30/22 10:09:02 p.m.
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Mr. Chair, we work with Environment and Climate Change Canada to ensure that any products that are utilized are safe for the use to which they are being—
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The Chair
  • May/30/22 10:09:12 p.m.
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The hon. member for Kelowna—Lake Country.
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Mrs. Tracy Gray
  • May/30/22 10:09:14 p.m.
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Mr. Chair, what are deleterious substances?
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Hon. Joyce Murray
  • May/30/22 10:09:20 p.m.
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Mr. Chair, they are ones that are harmful.
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Mrs. Tracy Gray
  • May/30/22 10:09:27 p.m.
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Mr. Chair, is the minister's department recommending that deleterious substances be put into public drinking waterways?
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Hon. Joyce Murray
  • May/30/22 10:09:36 p.m.
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Mr. Chair, any substances that might be used are checked with Environment Canada to make sure that they are not going to be harmful to humans or to the natural environment.
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Mrs. Tracy Gray
  • May/30/22 10:09:49 p.m.
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Mr. Chair, the Canadian government website defines deleterious substances as being added to any water where it could “degrade or alter the water quality such that it could directly or indirectly harm fish, fish habitat, or the use of fish by humans.” That is the definition right on the government's website, so the comment the minister just made is kind of shocking. Can the minister give us some examples of what a deleterious substance might be?
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Hon. Joyce Murray
  • May/30/22 10:10:18 p.m.
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Mr. Chair, a lampricide would be a deleterious substance.
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Mrs. Tracy Gray
  • May/30/22 10:10:25 p.m.
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Mr. Chair, on the government's website, it also lists chemicals, heavy metals and cleaning supplies such as bleach, detergents and pesticides. Does the minister believe that putting pesticides or other chemicals is the way to eradicate aquatic invasive mussels in large waterways?
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Hon. Joyce Murray
  • May/30/22 10:10:41 p.m.
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Mr. Chair, I have to say, I want to acknowledge that I am very impressed by the concern the member has for what goes in the waterways.
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Mrs. Tracy Gray
  • May/30/22 10:10:52 p.m.
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Mr. Chair, I am really glad that the minister is impressed with my comments. The most recent letter from the Okanagan Basin Water Board on April 8, 2022, expressed concerns. Does the minister agree with the concerns in its letter?
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Hon. Joyce Murray
  • May/30/22 10:11:06 p.m.
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Mr. Chair, I am not aware of the letter that the member is referring to.
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