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House Hansard - 67

44th Parl. 1st Sess.
May 9, 2022 11:00AM
Context: House Hansard - 67 - May/9/22
The Assistant Deputy Speaker (Mrs. Carol Hughes)
  • May/9/22 12:43:01 p.m.
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I just want to ask the member whether he is going to apologize to the member.
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Mr. Todd Doherty
  • May/9/22 12:43:20 p.m.
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  • Re: Bill C-19 
Madam Speaker, I was just getting to it.
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The Assistant Deputy Speaker (Mrs. Carol Hughes)
  • May/9/22 12:43:59 p.m.
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I just want to remind members that name calling is really not a very professional thing to do, especially in this House. The hon. government House leader.
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The Assistant Deputy Speaker (Mrs. Carol Hughes)
  • May/9/22 12:43:59 p.m.
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I would ask the member to respond to that and finish his question, so that I can get to the hon. member, because we are running out of time and I am going to have to start cutting questions on that side of the House.
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Mr. Todd Doherty
  • May/9/22 12:43:59 p.m.
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  • Re: Bill C-19 
Madam Speaker, with all due respect, I do apologize for saying the comments, but I do not apologize for the feelings that this side of the House has, when the government has essentially given itself a majority with its colleagues from the NDP. I want to ask what happened to the “sunny ways” of 2015, when the Liberals were not going to start with dilatory motions; they were going be the most open and responsive government, and they were not going to force closure on debates. This, they have done time and time again, not only in this session, but any time the heat is turned up on them. What happened to that government?
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Hon. Mark Holland
  • May/9/22 12:44:12 p.m.
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  • Re: Bill C-19 
Madam Speaker, I spent a lot of time in opposition, and one of the things that I think is really not becoming of this place is to use that kind of language toward any other member. The reality is that the NDP House leader and I have our differences, but we both recognize that we were elected in a minority government to find ways to get things done for Canadians. I would reflect back to the member that we had a really great start. I mentioned Bill C-3 and Bill C-4, but there were a lot of things that were put forward by the Conservatives that were reasonable and that we were able to work with. What I am experiencing now is nothing but obstruction. I do not have anything to work with, and after four months of this place being bottlenecked with obstruction, we had to recognize there was no interest in actually having more debate; there was just an interest in unilaterally shutting this place down and sticking it in the mud. No party should try to do that from the position of having a minority of elected seats. The Conservatives talk about the elected will of Canadians. The elected will of Canadians is for this chamber to work, and to work together.
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Ms. Jenny Kwan (Vancouver East, NDP)
  • May/9/22 12:45:45 p.m.
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  • Re: Bill C-19 
Madam Speaker, in the last election, the electorate sent a clear message to all of us, which is that we need to come back to this House and to work for the people. New Democrats took that seriously, and one of the things we are working on is to advance the needs of the community and to fight for them. What we have done is to use the power of 25 New Democrats to negotiate a supply and confidence agreement with the government, and what we have in this bill is a proposal to bring forward, for people in our communities, a dental care program. A national dental care program is needed, certainly, for my constituents. There are seniors who have not been able to get their teeth fixed, because they cannot afford to see a dentist. There are seniors who are blending up their food to eat. The obstructions that are being put forward by the Conservatives obstruct not only this House, but also the work of committees—
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The Assistant Deputy Speaker (Mrs. Carol Hughes)
  • May/9/22 12:46:52 p.m.
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I am sorry; the hon. member for Prince George—Peace River—Northern Rockies is rising on a point of order.
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Mr. Bob Zimmer
  • May/9/22 12:46:59 p.m.
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  • Re: Bill C-19 
Madam Speaker, I guess it is just a question to you. Is this a statement by a government member, or a question from the opposition?
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The Assistant Deputy Speaker (Mrs. Carol Hughes)
  • May/9/22 12:47:07 p.m.
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That is debate, and I have been hearing a lot of heckling on that side of the House. I would ask members to respect the fact that other members have the floor. The hon. member can ask her question, because I have other parliamentarians who want to ask questions as well. The hon. member for Vancouver East.
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Ms. Jenny Kwan
  • May/9/22 12:47:23 p.m.
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  • Re: Bill C-19 
Madam Speaker, to that end, my question to all members of the House is this: Do they not want to see a national dental program in place for their constituents? Do they not want to see and ensure that teachers are not being impeded by their inability to get the tax credits that have been promised in this bill? Why are we trying to obstruct—
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The Assistant Deputy Speaker (Mrs. Carol Hughes)
  • May/9/22 12:47:50 p.m.
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Again, the hon. member for Prince George—Peace River—Northern Rockies is rising on a point of order.
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Mr. Bob Zimmer
  • May/9/22 12:47:58 p.m.
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  • Re: Bill C-19 
Madam Speaker, we just heard the member ask a question of another opposition party. I do not know if she does not know the role of the NDP in this place—
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The Assistant Deputy Speaker (Mrs. Carol Hughes)
  • May/9/22 12:48:07 p.m.
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Again, that is a point of debate. The hon. government House leader has the floor.
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Hon. Mark Holland
  • May/9/22 12:48:12 p.m.
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  • Re: Bill C-19 
Madam Speaker, what we are seeing at the crux of this is a different view of what Canadians sent us here to do and what the role of official opposition is, or of opposition generally. It is my view that Canadians sent us here in a minority government with an expectation that we are going to work together. Yes, we are going to disagree, and will do so respectfully. We are going to be voting either for or against different things, but we will be putting ideas on the table and moving them respectfully through this place. That is what Canadians' expectations are. We could knock on doors this week and have Canadians ask us what we are doing here. If we told people that dental care, the environment and housing were extremely important, what they would want to hear is that we are making sure we get to those issues, that we get to the legislation and to the debate that is going to inform the policies that are going to drive forward an agenda that is going to serve and help Canadians. I would reflect back to the members, particularly as they draw the weeks on and on and do the same thing again and again, that it is not a great message to go back to those same constituents and say, “I tried to block the House from doing its work. I stood up every day and moved concurrence motions. I limited debate. I tried to make sure other elected members did not have an opportunity to engage in debate, and I tried to stop legislation from coming forward.” I cannot imagine that is a very compelling narrative to give to constituents.
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Mr. Mike Morrice (Kitchener Centre, GP)
  • May/9/22 12:49:43 p.m.
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  • Re: Bill C-19 
Madam Speaker, I share concerns with how long it took to get Bill C-8 through this place. I also recognize and appreciate that the government House leader is a reasonable person. However, let us be honest about what is in Bill C-19. Climate is mentioned only with respect to the climate action incentive's being delivered once a quarter as opposed to once a year. I do not see a section in here that implements dental care. If this does move through time allocation, does it mean we will see more substantial climate legislation? Does it mean we will see legislation for the Canada disability benefit? Over 100 MPs from all parties in this place have made clear they want to see the government move forward fast on that.
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Hon. Mark Holland
  • May/9/22 12:50:30 p.m.
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  • Re: Bill C-19 
Madam Speaker, the quick answer is absolutely. By moving forward after this, we have a raft of things that are going to be helping Canadians and improving their lives: taking action on climate and housing, making sure we are helping workers and businesses as we start returning to normal, and building on the remarkable economic success. Canada has recovered 115% of the jobs lost in the pandemic, which compares to 93% in the United States. We have a leading plan, and I would say one of the best, if not the best, to tackle climate change and to take appropriate climate action. There are so many things following behind this. It is why we cannot accept that the Conservatives scuttle the agenda of the government or the House. We have to get to these things.
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The Assistant Deputy Speaker (Mrs. Carol Hughes)
  • May/9/22 12:51:17 p.m.
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It is my duty to interrupt the proceedings at this time and put forthwith the question on the motion now before the House. The question is on the motion. Shall I dispense? Some hon. members: No. [Chair read text of motion to House] The Assistant Deputy Speaker (Mrs. Carol Hughes): If a member of a recognized party present in the House wishes to request a recorded division or that the motion be adopted on division, I would invite them to rise and indicate it to the Chair.
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Mr. Kevin Lamoureux
  • May/9/22 12:52:32 p.m.
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Madam Speaker, we would ask that the motion be passed on division.
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Mr. Arnold Viersen
  • May/9/22 12:52:40 p.m.
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Madam Speaker, we request a recorded division.
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