Senator Housakos: Government leader, it is really remarkable that three weeks after getting this question, you can’t answer in a transparent and honest forthwith fashion. It’s not a complicated question.

I think I understand why your government refuses to answer the question. I would be embarrassed as well if I were part of a government that is paying $44 billion of interest this fiscal year on the debt that you have doubled since you have come into power. I would be ashamed to actually come up with that number. You have had ample opportunity to answer the question.

I can understand the shame, because in this fiscal year your government is about to spend as much money on the interest on the national debt as you are in health transfer payments, which explains why one in five Canadians — and I would venture to say one in four in some provinces — don’t even have a family doctor.

I have another question for you, and it’s an even simpler one. If you look at this current fiscal situation, your government’s spending is almost even on interest payments on the debt and health transfer payments.

In 2015, I was a member of this chamber when the government at the time was spending $27 billion in interest payments on debt that previous governments had accumulated. It was less than two thirds of what they were paying in health transfer payments to the provinces.

If you weren’t a Liberal government representative in this chamber and you were an average Canadian, which one of those two fiscal pictures would you prefer to have as a Canadian citizen?

Hon. Leo Housakos: Honourable senators, in recent years, I’ve had the honour and pleasure of working with an extraordinary group of people who have fully committed themselves to defending the freedom and human rights of others. They do so not for their own benefit, but because it’s the right thing to do. As a matter of fact, at times, it has come at a personal cost, including threats and intimidation of not only themselves but also their loved ones.

Although based in the United Kingdom, Hong Kong Watch has done an extraordinary job reaching across global borders, including right here in Canada. Through their advocacy and community-engagement work, they strive to bridge the gap between newcomers from Hong Kong and the Canadian government and parliamentarians. They also publish original research and regularly update parliamentarians and government officials on the human rights situation.

In the past year, Hong Kong Watch has launched the Youth Initiative program, successfully advocated for Canada’s Hong Kong open work permit pathway, drawn attention to and asked for Canadian pension funds to divest from Chinese companies linked to human rights violations and advocated for Canada to hold accountable Hong Kong and Chinese officials responsible for human rights abuses.

Hong Kong Watch also continues to urge the government to expand and extend the “lifeboat” scheme Stream B path to permanent residency and waive police certificate requirements that continue to create obstacles for Hong Kongers wishing to move to Canada.

When it comes to the safety of the growing Hong Kong community in Canada, Hong Kong Watch continues to raise cases of threats and intimidation by the Chinese Communist Party, including urging the government to adopt a foreign agent registry and a reporting hotline.

With an estimated 50,000 Hong Kongers having landed in Canada over the past two years, including Hong Kong Canadians returning home to Canada, and with many more expected to arrive in the coming months and years, Hong Kong Watch is expanding its mission of defending fundamental freedoms and human rights, and speaking up for Hong Kong Canadians who face intimidation and threats from the Chinese Communist Party right here on Canadian soil.

With that, it’s my honour to announce the launch of Hong Kong Watch Canada. The official launch is happening at a parliamentary reception this evening, to which you’re all invited. I really encourage you to come by and say hello. It’s an opportunity to meet the Hong Kong Watch team, including our friends from across the pond, Ben Rogers and Sam Goodman, who are here today; as well as the members of the new Canadian chapter: Max Wu; Katherine Leung; Aileen Calverley; and former Miss World Canada, Anastasia Lin.

Colleagues, I again encourage you to join us this evening. Until then, I will close my remarks today with a quote from one of this evening’s hosts, Ms. Calverley:

Our fight against authoritarianism is not only advocacy work for a faraway place done from a distance. It has reached the shores of Canada and is impacting the lives of Canadians. I am tremendously grateful for the support from parliamentarians from all sides in our work. I am pleased and excited to officially launch the Canadian chapter of Hong Kong Watch – it is important work and it is time to do so.

Thank you, colleagues.

Hon. Leo Housakos: My question is for the government leader. Now that we have confirmed from the answer you have given the Leader of the Opposition here in the Senate that your government doesn’t care much about dealing with foreign interference, let’s try another subject matter, which is the record that your government has set when it comes to food banks in this country and the pummelling that the middle class and the poor are receiving in light of these terrible economic policies of your government.

I am going back to a question I asked before the break, and I’m hoping, now that you have had a week to reflect on it and maybe go to your Liberal colleagues in the Prime Minister’s office or maybe even called your Minister of Finance, you can answer the question. It’s a simple question. Can you tell the Senate and Canadians how much your government, the Trudeau government, is paying in interest payments on the debt for this fiscal year?