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House Hansard - 208

44th Parl. 1st Sess.
June 7, 2023 02:00PM
Context: House Hansard - 208 - Jun/7/23
Hon. Steven MacKinnon
  • Jun/7/23 6:07:10 p.m.
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Mr. Speaker, I am sure it has not been lost on the Chair that this sudden technological difficulty outbreak has been limited to one party in this House. I would just ask, as we are voting on the budget, that we show a bit of respect for this place. Manifestly, these people are outside in the lobby— Some hon. members: Oh, oh!
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The Deputy Speaker
  • Jun/7/23 6:07:35 p.m.
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I would just remind the member that we cannot say whether somebody is in the chamber or outside the chamber. We have a point of order from the hon. member for La Prairie.
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Mr. Alain Therrien
  • Jun/7/23 6:07:53 p.m.
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Mr. Speaker, there is no interpretation. There is nothing but silence on the French channel. I am not sure why.
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The Deputy Speaker
  • Jun/7/23 6:08:06 p.m.
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I think a phone was ringing while the member was talking. The hon. member for New Westminster—Burnaby.
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Mr. Peter Julian
  • Jun/7/23 6:08:16 p.m.
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Mr. Speaker, this is the second time we have had technical problems that have only impacted one party. I believe it is showing profound disrespect for the interpreters, who do an excellent job each and every day on our behalf. They deserve more respect than that. Mr. Speaker, I would ask you to undertake an investigation. This is the second time the Conservatives have turned votes into a circus. I would ask you to undertake a thorough investigation of this misuse of parliamentary time. Some hon. members: Oh, oh!
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The Deputy Speaker
  • Jun/7/23 6:09:04 p.m.
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Order. I am going to make two comments on this. I will refer people to chapter 13, “Rules of Order and Decorum”, under “Decorum During the Taking of a Vote”. We did see a lot of people get up and move during the vote, and I do not want that happening, because it creates a lot of confusion for the table officers. It reads: During the taking of a vote, no Member is permitted to enter, leave or walk across the Chamber or to make any noise or disturbance from the time the Speaker begins to put the question until the results of the vote are announced. Members must be in their seats to vote and must remain seated until the result of the vote is announced. I want to quote what the Speaker ruled on June 5, which was Monday morning after the Friday incident. He said: The Chair has the utmost respect for the voting process. The success of the voting application depends on the good faith of members. All members are to treat their right to vote in this place with the sanctity and respect it deserves. This applies especially to a budget vote. Let us see how we get through the next vote. I will remind folks that if they are voting online, have trouble with it and join us by Zoom, I need a “yea” or “nay”. I do not need to know anything else. Please stick to that. The question is on Motion No. 441. A vote on this motion also applies to Motions Nos. 442, 445, 684 to 689 and 691 to 729.
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The Deputy Speaker
  • Jun/7/23 6:30:15 p.m.
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I declare Motion No. 441 defeated. I therefore declare Motions Nos. 442 to 455, 684 to 689 and 691 to 729 defeated. The next question is on Motion No. 730. A vote on this motion also applies to Motions Nos. 731 to 749 and 751 to 904.
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The Deputy Speaker
  • Jun/7/23 6:47:18 p.m.
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I declare Motion No. 730 defeated. I therefore declare Motions Nos. 731 to 749 and 751 to 904 defeated.
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The Deputy Speaker
  • Jun/7/23 6:48:06 p.m.
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If a member of a recognized party present in the House wishes that the motion be carried or carried on division or wishes to request a recorded division, I would invite them to rise and indicate it to the Chair.
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Hon. Helena Jaczek
  • Jun/7/23 6:48:06 p.m.
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moved that the bill, as amended, be concurred in at report stage.
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Hon. Steven MacKinnon
  • Jun/7/23 6:48:06 p.m.
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Mr. Speaker, I request a recorded division.
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The Deputy Speaker
  • Jun/7/23 7:02:05 p.m.
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I declare the motion carried.
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Hon. Steven MacKinnon (Gatineau, Lib.)
  • Jun/7/23 7:02:30 p.m.
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Mr. Speaker, I rise on a point of order. I wish to bring to your attention a possible incident of coercion of a member of Parliament during the vote previous to this one. The member for Renfrew—Nipissing—Pembroke was captured on the screen speaking into her microphone and asking if she had voted slowly enough. We wish to know who was coaching, who was pulling the puppet strings on this member, what kind of coercion was being exerted upon her and whether this is something that the Speaker should investigate.
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Mr. Todd Doherty (Cariboo—Prince George, CPC)
  • Jun/7/23 7:03:15 p.m.
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Mr. Speaker, one cannot do directly what one can do indirectly. What I would offer is that our colleague is struggling with the smoke, had a mask on and was struggling to actually speak. What she was merely trying to clarify was that the Speaker had heard her and that she had enunciated clearly with the technical issues we have been having with this act.
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Mrs. Cheryl Gallant (Renfrew—Nipissing—Pembroke, CPC)
  • Jun/7/23 7:03:47 p.m.
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Mr. Speaker, anyone who knows me knows that no one coaches me on how to vote.
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Mr. Peter Julian (New Westminster—Burnaby, NDP)
  • Jun/7/23 7:03:59 p.m.
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Mr. Speaker, I rise on a point of order. I want to reiterate the request for a full investigation into the circus we saw this evening, with only Conservatives being unable to master the technical capabilities of the app. I would ask for confirmation that the Speaker will investigate fully.
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The Deputy Speaker
  • Jun/7/23 7:04:20 p.m.
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We will go back and review to see who had challenges. The hon. parliamentary secretary to the government House leader is rising.
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Mr. Mark Gerretsen (Parliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons (Senate), Lib.)
  • Jun/7/23 7:04:27 p.m.
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Mr. Speaker, in your consideration of the point of order from the member for New Westminster—Burnaby, I would like to add that I too believe it is important that the Speaker look into this, that we investigate why Conservatives seem to be having a tough time with technology. Maybe it is just the old archaic ways that surround them, but nonetheless, we need to look into this. We need to get to the bottom of this.
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Ms. Lena Metlege Diab (Halifax West, Lib.)
  • Jun/7/23 7:04:57 p.m.
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Mr. Speaker, I rise in the House to raise a point of order for the first time. I was scheduled to speak to my private member's bill tonight. It is a bill that I believe everybody in the House favours, and it is to declare November as Lebanese heritage month. I would like to second the motion from the member for New Westminster—Burnaby to investigate these ridiculous tactics, which are wasting resources and impeding important legislation from going forward.
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Mr. Brad Vis (Mission—Matsqui—Fraser Canyon, CPC)
  • Jun/7/23 7:05:37 p.m.
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Mr. Speaker, on the third to last vote, I believe, I stepped out for a moment, and the member for Mississauga East—Cooksville referred to me as a rat. I think the member is an hon. member, and I would ask him to kindly retract his comment.
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