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House Hansard - 181

44th Parl. 1st Sess.
April 20, 2023 10:00AM
Context: House Hansard - 181 - Apr/20/23
Mr. Sébastien Lemire (Abitibi—Témiscamingue, BQ)
  • Apr/20/23 1:02:52 p.m.
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Madam Speaker, I thank my colleague and fellow vice-chair of the Standing Committee on Industry and Technology for his powerful speech today. I would like to know whether he would agree, as per recommendation 2, that the government put in place significant financial incentives for basic research, to develop a greener aircraft and expertise in the energy transition of this industry through green technologies. I would add to that the importance of having predictable funding. Predictability is absolutely essential for this industry. There needs to be a national aerospace policy that will allow us to ensure sustainable funding for the next 15 or 20 years, because that is how many years of R and D it takes to build an aircraft.
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Mr. Rick Perkins
  • Apr/20/23 1:03:38 p.m.
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Madam Speaker, I enjoy sitting on the industry committee with the member. We are doing good, collegial work together on it. On that particular issue, I absolutely agree. Part of the challenge of what happened when the government created the strategic investment fund, or SIF, program is that it collapsed other tax credits for specific industries to help with the very issue the member is talking about. That issue is that the government lost the sectoral focus in how to support the aerospace industry on issues like greening the engines and the fuel usage of aircraft in Canada. This is another thing the government has done to hurt the aerospace industry.
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Mr. Blake Desjarlais (Edmonton Griesbach, NDP)
  • Apr/20/23 1:04:32 p.m.
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Madam Speaker, in this place, I find it is often our goal to disagree without being disagreeable. I believe this member often does that in an extraordinary way, and I respect him for that. However, I do have comments directed to the many lengthy speeches the Conservatives have made today and the great appetite they have for the companies that are seeking federal funds. They often talk in this place about how evil socialism is or how evil it is to help regular, everyday people in this country. However, when companies come to the table asking for money, whether it is big oil companies, big banks, or in this case, aerospace mega-companies, all of a sudden, they are for it. Whether in tax breaks or other means of revenue generation, it is like coming to the government trough. How does the member reconcile the fact that his party is so willing to support massive corporations but does not allow that same opportunity for single moms, persons with disabilities or those who need the government's support most?
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Mr. Rick Perkins
  • Apr/20/23 1:05:30 p.m.
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Madam Speaker, I will first answer the part about why we do not support socialism. It is because it has failed everywhere and reduced economies to totalitarian regimes. Everywhere socialism has been tried as a government entity, we have seen less freedom. That is why we do not support it. We think freedom creates opportunity, and the capitalist system produces the opportunity and the profit incentive that moves—
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The Assistant Deputy Speaker (Mrs. Carol Hughes)
  • Apr/20/23 1:06:05 p.m.
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I must interrupt the member. The hon. member for Drummond on a point of order.
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Mr. Martin Champoux
  • Apr/20/23 1:06:07 p.m.
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Madam Speaker, the interpreters are saying that there is a lot of interference when my colleague speaks. I do not know whether it is because there is a device or a phone near the microphone, but the interpreters have indicated several times now that there is frequent interference.
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The Assistant Deputy Speaker (Mrs. Carol Hughes)
  • Apr/20/23 1:06:22 p.m.
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I appreciate the point of order. I also mentioned yesterday that it is very important for members who are speaking or asking questions to make sure that they put their phones on silent or somewhere other than their lecterns, because the microphones definitely pick up sound. This is hard on interpreters, and we want to make sure they can work safely. The hon. member has 30 seconds to finish his response.
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Mr. Rick Perkins
  • Apr/20/23 1:07:01 p.m.
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Madam Speaker, I think I dealt with the socialism part well. On the capitalist side, the profit incentive creates invention, which is what moves society forward. That is why the member has an iPhone or Samsung phone in his pocket that he uses to help him do his job. That is why he has a Microsoft Surface laptop from the House of Commons, a nice thin computer, to do his job. Those things are all inventions created by a capitalism profit motive.
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Mr. Kelly McCauley (Edmonton West, CPC)
  • Apr/20/23 1:07:48 p.m.
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Madam Speaker, I want to thank my colleague from South Shore—St. Margarets for his comment with respect to Liberal government support. Industry is always saying, “With a government like that, who needs enemies?” He touched upon the so-called luxury tax. The Aerospace Industries Association of Canada figures that it is going to cost about 3,000 jobs. When asked about this, the finance minister said that such losses are “negligible”. What government has ever been so out of touch that a finance minister tells 3,000 people in the middle class, who are earning good wages, that their job loss is negligible? This is what we have seen from the government again and again. It attacks businesses and regular, everyday Canadians for ideological reasons. The government again stated, with respect to the 3,000 lost jobs, that the wealthy have to pay their fair share. With the current government, every time it asks people to pay their fair share, the middle class and the little guy bear the brunt of its incompetence. We do not need a national strategy for aerospace; we need a national strategy to replace the incompetent, out-of-touch Liberal government.
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The Assistant Deputy Speaker (Mrs. Carol Hughes)
  • Apr/20/23 1:09:12 p.m.
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Is the House ready for the question? Some hon. members: Question. The Assistant Deputy Speaker (Mrs. Carol Hughes): The question is on the motion. If a member of a recognized party present in the House wishes that the motion be carried or carried on division or wishes to request a recorded division, I would invite them to rise and indicate it to the Chair.
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Mr. Sébastien Lemire
  • Apr/20/23 1:09:47 p.m.
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Madam Speaker, it is with great pride and enthusiasm that I recommend that the House unanimously adopt this report in which, for the first time, the House of Commons, an authority of the Government of Canada, will recommend the adoption of a national aerospace strategy.
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The Assistant Deputy Speaker (Mrs. Carol Hughes)
  • Apr/20/23 1:10:06 p.m.
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Is it agreed? Some hon. members: Agreed.
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Mr. Tom Kmiec (Calgary Shepard, CPC)
  • Apr/20/23 1:10:37 p.m.
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Madam Speaker, I have been waiting all day to present a petition on behalf of my constituents. They are calling on the Government of Canada to recognize the ongoing genocide and persecution by the Taliban of the Hazara ethnic minority in Afghanistan. They are calling on the government to prioritize Hazaras coming to Canada as part of its target of 40,000 people by the end of the year.
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Mr. Kevin Lamoureux (Parliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons, Lib.)
  • Apr/20/23 1:11:07 p.m.
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Madam Speaker, I ask that all questions be allowed to stand at this time. The Assistant Deputy Speaker (Mrs. Carol Hughes): Is that agreed? Some hon. members: Agreed
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The Assistant Deputy Speaker (Mrs. Carol Hughes)
  • Apr/20/23 1:11:32 p.m.
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If a member of a recognized party present in the House wishes that the motion be carried or carried on division or wishes to request a recorded division, I would invite them to rise and indicate it to the Chair.
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Hon. Randy Boissonnault
  • Apr/20/23 1:11:32 p.m.
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moved that a ways and means motion to introduce an act to implement certain provisions of the budget tabled in Parliament on March 28, 2023, and other measures be concurred in.
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Mr. Kevin Lamoureux
  • Apr/20/23 1:12:06 p.m.
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Madam Speaker, we request a recorded division.
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The Assistant Deputy Speaker (Mrs. Carol Hughes)
  • Apr/20/23 1:12:09 p.m.
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Call in the members.
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The Speaker
  • Apr/20/23 1:56:42 p.m.
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I declare the motion carried.
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Hon. Randy Boissonnault
  • Apr/20/23 1:57:37 p.m.
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  • Re: Bill C-47 
moved that Bill C-47, An Act to implement certain provisions of the budget tabled in Parliament on March 28, 2023, be read the first time and printed.
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